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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: "Randall S. Becker" <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>,
	'martin' <test2@mfriebe.de>,
	'Felipe Contreras' <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	'Andreas Schwab' <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	"'Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason'" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"'Junio C Hamano'" <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 5/5] config: add default aliases
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 16:02:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60df7ee3128d6_28bb2086c@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <03a401d76f45$e1c6fce0$a554f6a0$@nexbridge.com>

Randall S. Becker wrote:

> In my opinion, default aliases are not a good path. If a command is
> intended to be part of the git command set, then it should be a
> builtin not an alias.

Commands cannot be overriden, aliases can.

All SCM projects have aliases, except git. Why do you think that is?

> Users have their own alias setups and implied conflicts are just going
> to be confusing and end up in help, examples, presentations, and so
> forth.

There's no conflict. Either you use the alias or you don't. Just like
today.

> If you want a default alias set, publish it as part of an extension
> set, like the bash-completion, so that the user has to take action to
> install them in their environment. Do not do this in the base git
> product by default.

The whole point is to help users so they don't have to do extra
configurations.

Today git is pretty much unbearable without a configuration. Default
aliases would help quell some of that pain.

> If I was a committer on this project, I would have to be much more
> convinced that there is long-term value in this series than appears on
> the surface.

 1. It doesn't affect anyone negatively
 2. You don't have to use them if you don't want to
 3. They don't affect your aliases, even if they have the same name
 4. Everyone has aliases
 5. Every SCM in history has had aliases

What more would you need?

> I am sorry if I am coming across too strongly on this subject, but I
> do think we are overloading alias capability and intruding on a domain
> that should be reserved for our users, not ourselves.

But why? We provide plenty of defaults so that users don't have to
configure git in order for the program to be useful. And we will
continue to add more defaults.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-02 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-02 10:05 [PATCH 0/5] Default aliases Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:05 ` [PATCH 1/5] test: add missing whitespaces Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:05 ` [PATCH 2/5] config: trivial style fix Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:05 ` [PATCH 3/5] config: trivial struct initialization cleanup Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:05 ` [PATCH 4/5] config: initialize origin_type correctly Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:05 ` [PATCH 5/5] config: add default aliases Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:10   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-07-02 10:17     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:31       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-07-02 10:46         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 10:54           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-07-02 10:44       ` martin
2021-07-02 10:54         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 11:15           ` martin
2021-07-02 13:26             ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-02 13:41               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 14:15                 ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-02 14:43                   ` martin
2021-07-02 20:44                     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 22:03                     ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-02 22:32                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 15:39               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-02 20:41                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 21:02               ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-07-02 21:40                 ` martin
2021-07-02 22:16                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 22:00                 ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-02 22:31                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 21:12             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 21:31               ` martin
2021-07-02 22:14                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 11:32   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 21:58     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-02 22:38       ` martin
2021-07-02 23:48         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-05 14:02         ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-06 15:27           ` Randall S. Becker
2021-07-06 21:59           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-07-10 15:30           ` Philip Oakley
2021-07-03 10:50   ` Jeff King
2021-07-06 21:54     ` Felipe Contreras

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