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[187.188.155.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u15sm1198325ooq.24.2021.06.17.08.23.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 17 Jun 2021 08:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:23:10 -0500 From: Felipe Contreras To: Junio C Hamano , =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= Cc: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget , git@vger.kernel.org, sandals@crustytoothpaste.net, stolee@gmail.com, jrnieder@gmail.com, emilyshaffer@google.com, Andrei Rybak , Felipe Contreras , Robert Karszniewicz , Jeff King , "Kerry, Richard" , Phillip Susi , Johannes Schindelin , Bagas Sanjaya , Derrick Stolee , Derrick Stolee Message-ID: <60cb68debacbc_13057208e4@natae.notmuch> In-Reply-To: References: <87a6nryt51.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <87bl85y15s.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Junio C Hamano wrote: > =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason writes: > > The references to "gendered prounouns" etc. are gone, perhaps there's= a > > good reason to re-include them, but the point of "isn't that issue > > solved by recommending an orthagonal approach?" is one of the many > > things Stolee hasn't been addressing in the threads related to this > > series. > > > > To me that whole approach is somewhere between a solution in search o= f a > > problem and a "let's fix it and move on". Not something we need > > explicitly carry in our CodingGuidelines forever. > = > This I think is the crux of the differences between you two. I'd > love to hear Derrick's response and eventually see a middle ground > reached. A middle ground is not always the best solution. The solution between punching people you disagree with and tolerance is not punching them a little bit. Sometimes one side is just incorrect. Also, a principle of logic is the burden of proof. =C3=86var doesn't have= to prove that there's something wrong with Derek's proposal, Derek has the burden of proof. Why do we need a writing style lesson for one particular issue (that has never really been an issue) in CodingGuidelines? I have not seen an answer to that question--let alone a satisfactory one. -- = Felipe Contreras=