From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20791F5AE for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230251AbhFHIN2 (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:13:28 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:60396 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229512AbhFHIN2 (ORCPT ); Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:13:28 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB765C061574 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 01:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id t140so15524030oih.0 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 01:11:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O4fW0eZSjdDzPq+eWlAKkvcB1zqc0vRAHDmqI7cgmiY=; b=HuIIqgcRa87CH7rVYA9ZIEgHH7kwAhwJ7affMnShll28pEuzVhMh+Uwch5VOLwucz0 2k9OKsh7U7rYWomt08nPhwVY0wAgYcU9IM7FXy70m7F3RQmxuw07xcl+eNQz9YK+C7Rz eux/3rH1aFf6TxLeFaFEnmiK6yc9TWjDxN5uwij9lebPUV1I6d1fm477w3+ztk+lAEGz UoHt3qIU+O3IVEcj1FCJ51GtW/l6/WZCT5WLWCZJ9dgRrMqizB4hmR51i1fObR1LLbEM g/loCjpbqdAZ8MjCeK1qOX9CUF7hoKG6FJAQ5tHXgrOkRkojAn9qfpl8MnQVHnBHM8PB RUkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O4fW0eZSjdDzPq+eWlAKkvcB1zqc0vRAHDmqI7cgmiY=; b=jn6KMrThz9BbfIyyCSUTlo+2hlBvPlQONTmwJmN2Ul7oiR8+AhYTPJZkDeKXnio8JO fXJSOOdqg3nPpmZmvmSOkYJjSnkN0/UKRjVl4YbiVOqq4UQBKVKm4YWvW/8tJnY9SfBP 2ioO2f0zp2rrkBm6+MPKONtsXlQ3wn3B96+ypH6emDzI4ZbWq8u9eq3doXrI1LDyHLH8 JdRBIPy2dKO1Or4JjJoDDj4pwvbH4kYlaS/CgSiK8PthFjL8b4nP2Jb0d3fUalNp7267 nUkwVpNK+SmZZ7gisiAG0a4mFa86aku1kqIafjqsL0QvqHUTijDyPzBOrKeePUZl5C3I u8rg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5324m6XK9fF2BqWkgfnDSzF0+nQ8vwJexW2Fbev1MIIgJHml+Ll1 X+5XBQd2emlhJywRZoosHkY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJznY/sluFrh9IPQAV/cNo3BKpTbc5O3GBkZ/ordkG3Muopud9bZoFfgvZqwQtS7JogJHRoeXA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:13c5:: with SMTP id d5mr972226oiw.163.1623139894853; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 01:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fixed-187-188-155-231.totalplay.net. [187.188.155.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k14sm2675419ooi.21.2021.06.08.01.11.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 08 Jun 2021 01:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 03:11:32 -0500 From: Felipe Contreras To: Jeff King , Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, gitster@pobox.com, sandals@crustytoothpaste.net, stolee@gmail.com, jrnieder@gmail.com, emilyshaffer@google.com, Derrick Stolee , Derrick Stolee Message-ID: <60bf2634beff5_1a700820836@natae.notmuch> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Jeff King wrote: > On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 04:57:48PM +0000, Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadg= et wrote: > = > > If we use singular "they/them" pronouns instead of "he/him" or "she/h= er" > > pronouns, then we can avoid this congitive load on the reader. > > = > > Using singular "they" is also incredibly efficient. Choosing a gender= ed > > pronoun is usually arbitrary between "he" or "she". Using constructs > > such as "he or she", "s/he", or "(s)he" are more complicated than > > singular "they". > = > In general, I do like the efficiency and readability of singular "they"= . > As a native speaker, I have no problem reading it, and I have little > sense that most of my native-speaker acquaintances would, either. Does this sound correct to you? We thank the reviewer for their helpful comments > One thing that gives me some comfort is your research here: You should look into a carefully crafted usage note written by a panel of linguists and writers. https://ahdictionary.tumblr.com/post/147597257733/updated-usage-note-they= Not a blog post written by a psychologist for an association actively criticized by many scolars (Twelve Scholars Respond to the APA=E2=80=99s Guidance for Treating Men and Boys). https://quillette.com/2019/02/04/psychologists-respond-to-the-apas-guidan= ce-for-treating-men-and-boys/ -- = Felipe Contreras=