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[187.190.78.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm501315otq.12.2021.05.27.07.08.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 27 May 2021 07:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:08:25 -0500 From: Felipe Contreras To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFsIFN1Y2jDoW5law==?= , Varun Varada Cc: Robert Coup , Felipe Contreras , git@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <60afa7d9d4ca_2056d208d9@natae.notmuch> In-Reply-To: <20210527114629.GD8544@kitsune.suse.cz> References: <20210512064733.GP12700@kitsune.suse.cz> <20210512170153.GE8544@kitsune.suse.cz> <609c112066acd_71bd1208aa@natae.notmuch> <20210512180418.GF8544@kitsune.suse.cz> <609c2f98932f3_71bd120840@natae.notmuch> <20210513074622.GG8544@kitsune.suse.cz> <20210513094818.GH8544@kitsune.suse.cz> <20210527114629.GD8544@kitsune.suse.cz> Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc: replace jargon word "impact" with "effect"/"affect" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Michal Such=C3=A1nek wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 06:49:58PM -0500, Varun Varada wrote: > > On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 04:48, Michal Such=C3=A1nek wrote: > > > Yet Felipe insists that 'impact' is somehow generally bad word to u= se or > > > that it should be abolished solely because he finds it bad and nobo= dy > > > objected to the alternative wording. > > > > > > Opinions on use of 'impact' differ both among the participants of t= his > > > discussion and authorities like authors well-known dictionaries. > > > > > > It looks like this is generally matter of stylistic preferences and= > > > opinions. That is even if there is some slight stylistic preference= for > > > not using the word 'impact' it is very hard to prove such and then = it is > > > very hard to request change based only on writing style preferences= . > > = > > The argument is not that it is generally a bad word to use, but that > > it is generally bad to use words when they don't mean what one thinks= > > they mean, especially when all evidence says otherwise. > = > Not all evidence. There are people who think the use is fine. What people think is not evidence. There's people who think the Earth is flat. > > All major dictionaries define "impact" as "a strong effect" or "to > > affect strongly". This is not style, but semantics. In the same way > = > Not all dictionaries, actually. You don't need all dictionaries. If 50% of trials show a drug is safe, and 50% show it's not, you don't approve bit because "not all say say it's unsafe". If there's evidence that A is bad, you should consider avoiding A, especially when you have B, and you have *zero* evidence showing B is bad. > > that "per se" being used to mean "necessarily" is not a style issue, > > using "impact" to mean "an effect" or "to affect" is not a style > > issue. > > = > > As has been stated already, the clear and substantial argument for > > this change is that it reduces the confusion that arises from > > improperly using the word "impact" in the instances without any loss > = > There is no final authority on 'correct' word use in English. You don't need a final authority. There is evidence that A is problematic. > We should learn to work together with people that use different > variant of the language rather than insist that the variant that I or m= y > teacher uses is the only correct one and everyone else should use it. Except one variant is problematic, and the other is not. Do you have *ANY* evidence that shows a problem with "effect"? -- = Felipe Contreras=