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[187.189.187.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w15sm2380925oiw.34.2021.05.23.11.36.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 13:36:10 -0500 From: Felipe Contreras To: Johannes Schindelin , Derrick Stolee Cc: Bagas Sanjaya , =?UTF-8?B?TMOpbmHDr2MgSHVhcmQ=?= , git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano , Derrick Stolee , Eric Sunshine , =?UTF-8?B?xJBvw6BuIFRy4bqnbiBDw7RuZyBEYW5o?= , Felipe Contreras , Phillip Wood , =?UTF-8?B?TWFydGluIMOFZ3Jlbg==?= , =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= , "brian m . carlson" Message-ID: <60aaa09aebce4_454920811@natae.notmuch> In-Reply-To: References: <20210509213217.449489-1-lenaic@lhuard.fr> <20210520221359.75615-1-lenaic@lhuard.fr> <20210520221359.75615-5-lenaic@lhuard.fr> <715d8115-641b-5c06-d514-36911eb169ef@gmail.com> <44d937a0-e876-e185-f409-a4fd61eae580@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] maintenance: optionally use systemd timers on Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2021, Derrick Stolee wrote: > = > > On 5/21/2021 5:59 AM, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > > > On 21/05/21 05.13, L=C3=A9na=C3=AFc Huard wrote: > > >> The existing mechanism for scheduling background maintenance is do= ne > > >> through cron. On Linux systems managed by systemd, systemd provide= s an > > >> alternative to schedule recurring tasks: systemd timers. > > >> > > >> The main motivations to implement systemd timers in addition to cr= on > > >> are: > > >> * cron is optional and Linux systems running systemd might not hav= e it > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 installed. > > >> * The execution of `crontab -l` can tell us if cron is installed b= ut not > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 if the daemon is actually running. > > >> * With systemd, each service is run in its own cgroup and its logs= are > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 tagged by the service inside journald. With cron, all= scheduled tasks > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 are running in the cron daemon cgroup and all the log= s of the > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 user-scheduled tasks are pretended to belong to the s= ystem cron > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 service. > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Concretely, a user that doesn=E2=80=99t have access t= o the system logs won=E2=80=99t > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 have access to the log of its own tasks scheduled by = cron whereas he > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 will have access to the log of its own tasks schedule= d by systemd > > >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 timer. > > > > > > For gender neutrality, we can use he/she instead. > > > > Singular "they" is better. Fully accurate and less awkward. > = > I agree. I disagree. > If the singular they was good enough for Shakespeare, Shakespeare: 1. Did not know gammar 2. Invented words as we went along 3. Was no writing prose This is not the kind of English we wish to replicate: "This was the most unkindest cut of all." > See for yourself: > http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002748.html I do not see a single instance of a singular antecedent there. Not that it matters, because unlike Shakespeare we are wriing classic prose style. The styles could not be more different. The singular they is a controversial topic[1][2], even among linguists. This is a software project, we must not make decrees about proper use of English language, especially when linguists themselves have not yet fully decided. If you want to use "they", go ahead, other people want to use "he/she". The git project should steer cleer of value judgements that one is _better_ than the other. Not to mention that these kinds of promulgations invite the culture war. Cheers. [1] https://time.com/5748649/word-of-year-they-merriam-webster/ [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2013/01/singular-their-af= front-good-writing/319329/ -- = Felipe Contreras=