From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Philip Oakley" Subject: Re: Promoting Git developers Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 18:32:24 -0000 Organization: OPDS Message-ID: <57996D0058AA4535AA2B61662D7B3051@PhilipOakley> References: <54FDA6B5.8050505@drmicha.warpmail.net> <87385emedc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: "Philip Oakley" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Christian Couder" , "Junio C Hamano" , "git" To: "David Kastrup" , "Michael J Gruber" X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon Mar 09 19:31:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YV2Sv-0008Pb-PQ for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 19:31:46 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752961AbbCISbl (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Mar 2015 14:31:41 -0400 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]:7160 "EHLO out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752812AbbCISbk (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Mar 2015 14:31:40 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2ACGgDj5f1UPDmpEVxcgwZSWocku0mFagEDAQGBK04BAQEBAQEFAQEBATggG4QKBQEBAQEDCAEBLh4BASELAgMFAgEDDgcDCSUUAQQaBgcDFAYBEggCAQIDAQOIBwMVCaxSjyghhSABAQEHAgEfixeEboMegRYFijuFVF+DBYdCkiGCJRyBUD4xAQEBgkABAQE X-IPAS-Result: A2ACGgDj5f1UPDmpEVxcgwZSWocku0mFagEDAQGBK04BAQEBAQEFAQEBATggG4QKBQEBAQEDCAEBLh4BASELAgMFAgEDDgcDCSUUAQQaBgcDFAYBEggCAQIDAQOIBwMVCaxSjyghhSABAQEHAgEfixeEboMegRYFijuFVF+DBYdCkiGCJRyBUD4xAQEBgkABAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,369,1422921600"; d="scan'208";a="489551461" Received: from host-92-17-169-57.as13285.net (HELO PhilipOakley) ([92.17.169.57]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2015 18:31:38 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: From: "David Kastrup" > Michael J Gruber writes: > >> Christian Couder venit, vidit, dixit 07.03.2015 08:18: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 6:41 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>>> At some point of time I think it may be worth reevaluating the >>>> toxic >>>> atmosphere against freelancers doing Git development. >>> >>> My opinion on this is that the Git community has not been good >>> especially lately at promoting its own developers. >>> >> >> I guess we have at least 3 kinds of people here: >> >> A) Paid to do Git development, at least as part of their job. >> B) Freelancers who don't get paid directly for "doing git" but hope >> to >> profit from their git efforts directly or indirectly. >> C) Doing it in their freetime (or as minor, inofficial part of their >> non-programming job). >> >> I'm in camp C and honestly wasn't aware of camp B until now. > > My guess is that camp B is dead and intentionally so. For the > rationale, see for example > . > It is considered tasteless to even mention camp B. > There seems to be some talking past each other going on. A common problem [1] is that the apparent middle ground "B" is actually split two ways, (because A and C are not opposites but embed different ethos) There maybe those B's who are well paid independent programmers, who are able to choose how to use their spare time in the same manner as those in "C". And there are those who, like some of the "A"s , need some payment to use their hours to the benefit of Git. This will be particularly true of those who are not well remunerated from their independent work. If they are giving up precious work time then they would at least hope for a little acknowledgment. To me it sounds as if Junio is thinking more of the former while David is thinking of the latter. These misunderstandings are difficult to resolve, or at least reconcile, without a proper understanding of the root causes of the differences. -- Philip [1] This common problem is summarised in the Competing Values Framework (CVF), which is usually applied to management philosophies, but is a common styling in many disputes and misunderstandings.