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From: Michael Haggerty <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>
To: David Turner <dturner@twopensource.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 38/43] refs: make some files backend functions public
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 18:00:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56154194.9050607@alum.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1444181145.7739.70.camel@twopensource.com>

On 10/07/2015 03:25 AM, David Turner wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-10-05 at 11:03 +0200, Michael Haggerty wrote:
>> On 09/29/2015 12:02 AM, David Turner wrote:
>>> Because HEAD and stash are per-worktree, other backends need to
>>> go through the files backend to manage these refs and their reflogs.
>>>
>>> To enable this, we make some files backend functions public.
>>
>> I have a bad feeling about this change.
>>
>> Naively I would expect a reference backend that cannot handle its own
>> (e.g.) stash to instantiate internally a files backend object and to
>> delegate stash-related calls to that object. That way neither class's
>> interface has to be changed.
>>
>> Here you are adding a separate interface to the files backend. That
>> seems like a more complicated and less flexible design. But I'm open to
>> be persuaded otherwise...
> 
> After some thought, here's a summary of the problem:
> 
> Some writes are cross-backend writes.  For example, if HEAD is symref to
> refs/head/master, a commit is a cross-backend write (HEAD itself is not
> updated, but its reflog is).  Ronnie's design of the ref backend
> structure did not account for cross-backend writes, because we didn't
> have per-worktree refs at the time (there was only HEAD, and there was
> only one copy of it).
> 
> Cross-backend writes are complicated because there is no way to tell a
> backend to do only part of a ref update -- for instance, to tell the
> files backend to update HEAD and HEAD's reflog but not
> refs/heads/master.  Maybe we could set a flag that would do this, but
> the synchronization would be fairly complicated.  For instance, an
> update to HEAD might need to confirm the old sha for HEAD, meaning that
> we couldn't do the db write first.  But if we move the db write second,
> then when the db code goes to do its check of the HEAD sha, it might see
> a new value.  Perhaps there's a way to make it work, but it seems
> fragile/complex.
> 
> Right now, for cross-backend reads/writes, the lmdb code cheats. It
> simply does the write directly and immediately.  This means that these
> portions of transactions cannot be rolled back.  That's clearly bad. 

That's a really good point.

I hate to break it to you, but the handling of symrefs in Git is already
a mess. HEAD is the only symref that I would really trust to work
correctly all the time. So I think that changes needn't be judged on
whether they handle symrefs perfectly. They should just not break them
in any dramatic new ways.

So, you pointed out the problem that HEAD (a per-worktree reference) can
be a symref that points at a shared reference. In fact, I think when
HEAD is symbolic it is only allowed to point at a branch under
refs/heads, so this particular problem is pretty well-constrained.

Are there other cases of cross-backend writes? I suppose there could be
a symref elsewhere among the per-worktree references that points at a
shared reference. But I can't think of any cases where this is done by
standard Git. Not that it is forbidden; I just don't think it is done by
any of the standard tools.

Or there could be a symref among the shared references that points at a
per-worktree reference. But AFAIK the only other symrefs that are in
common use are the refs/remotes/*/HEAD symrefs, and they always point at
references within the same (shared) namespace.

If everything that I've said is correct, then my opinion is that it
would be perfectly adequate if your code would handle the specific case
of HEAD (by hook or by crook), and if there are any other cross-backend
symrefs, just die with a message stating that such usage is unsupported.
Junio, do you think that would be acceptable?

> The simplest solution would be for the lmdb code to simply acquire
> locks, and write to lock files, and then commit those lock files just
> before the db transaction commits. Then the lmdb code would handle all
> of the orchestration without the files backend having to be rewritten to
> handle this case.

Wouldn't that essentially be re-implementing the files backend? I must
be missing something.

> [...]

BTW I just realized that if one backend should delegate to another, then
the primary backend should be the per-worktree backend and it should
delegate to the common backend. I think I described things the other way
around in my earlier message. This makes more sense because it is
acceptable for per-worktree references to refer to common references but
not vice versa.

Michael

-- 
Michael Haggerty
mhagger@alum.mit.edu

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-07 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-28 22:01 [PATCH v2 00/43] lmdb ref backend David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/43] refs.c: create a public version of verify_refname_available David Turner
2015-10-03  5:02   ` Torsten Bögershausen
2015-10-03 16:50     ` David Turner
2015-10-03 21:07       ` Torsten Bögershausen
2015-10-04  6:07       ` Torsten Bögershausen
2015-10-05  4:29   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-05 20:23     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/43] refs: make repack_without_refs and is_branch public David Turner
2015-10-05  4:34   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-05 20:26     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/43] refs-be-files.c: rename refs to refs-be-files David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/43] refs.c: add a new refs.c file to hold all common refs code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/43] refs.c: move update_ref to refs.c David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/43] refs.c: move delete_ref and delete_refs to the common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/43] refs.c: move read_ref_at to the common refs file David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/43] refs.c: move the hidden refs functions to the common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/43] refs.c: move dwim and friend functions to the common refs code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/43] refs.c: move warn_if_dangling_symref* to the common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/43] refs.c: move read_ref, read_ref_full and ref_exists " David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/43] refs.c: move resolve_refdup to common David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/43] refs.c: move check_refname_format to the common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 14/43] refs.c: move is_branch " David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 15/43] refs.c: move prettify_refname " David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 16/43] refs.c: move ref iterators " David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/43] refs.c: move head_ref_namespaced " David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 18/43] refs-be-files.c: add a backend method structure with transaction functions David Turner
2015-10-05  8:03   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-05 17:25     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-10-06  0:20       ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 19/43] refs-be-files.c: add methods for misc ref operations David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 20/43] refs-be-files.c: add methods for the ref iterators David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 21/43] refs-be-files.c: add method for for_each_reftype_ David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 22/43] refs-be-files.c: add do_for_each_per_worktree_ref David Turner
2015-10-05  8:19   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-05 20:14     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 23/43] refs.c: move refname_is_safe to the common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:01 ` [PATCH v2 24/43] refs.h: document make refname_is_safe and add it to header David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 25/43] refs.c: move copy_msg to the common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 26/43] refs.c: move peel_object " David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 27/43] refs.c: move should_autocreate_reflog to " David Turner
2015-10-02 20:57   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 28/43] refs.c: add ref backend init function David Turner
2015-10-05  8:37   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-05 20:37     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 29/43] refs.c: add methods for reflog David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 30/43] refs-be-files.c: add method to expire reflogs David Turner
2015-10-05  8:41   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 31/43] refs.c: add method for initial ref transaction commit David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 32/43] initdb: move safe_create_dir into common code David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 33/43] refs.c: add method for initializing refs db David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 34/43] refs.c: make struct ref_transaction generic David Turner
2015-10-06 17:43   ` Michael Blume
2015-10-06 17:53     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 35/43] refs-be-files.c: add method to rename refs David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 36/43] run-command: track total number of commands run David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 37/43] refs: move some defines from refs-be-files.c to refs.h David Turner
2015-10-05  8:57   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 38/43] refs: make some files backend functions public David Turner
2015-10-05  9:03   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-06  1:24     ` David Turner
2015-10-07  1:25     ` David Turner
2015-10-07 16:00       ` Michael Haggerty [this message]
2015-10-07 17:20         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-10-07 20:55         ` David Turner
2015-10-07 22:47           ` Michael Haggerty
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 39/43] refs: break out a ref conflict check David Turner
2015-10-05  9:06   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-06  0:28     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 40/43] refs: allow ref backend to be set for clone David Turner
2015-10-05  9:32   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-06  1:29     ` David Turner
2015-10-06  1:58       ` Jeff King
2015-10-06 18:09         ` David Turner
2015-10-12  9:00           ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2015-10-05 11:55   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-06  1:16     ` David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 41/43] refs: add register_refs_backend David Turner
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 42/43] refs: add LMDB refs backend David Turner
2015-10-02 21:35   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-10-05 15:47   ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-07  1:51     ` David Turner
2015-10-07 18:31       ` Michael Haggerty
2015-10-07 19:08         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-10-07 19:20         ` David Turner
2015-10-07 22:13           ` Michael Haggerty
2015-09-28 22:02 ` [PATCH v2 43/43] refs: tests for db backend David Turner
2015-10-03 17:39   ` Dennis Kaarsemaker
2015-10-05 16:56     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-10-06  0:20       ` David Turner

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