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From: Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Hostetler <jeffhost@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] Makefile: drop builtins from MSVC pdb list
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4fc1eaf3-86d8-99de-3a8f-34f49250cee3@jeffhostetler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2008141611490.54@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>



On 8/14/20 10:18 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> Hi Peff,
> 
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Jeff King wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:04:28AM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:57:19AM -0400, Jeff King wrote:
>>>> Over the years some more programs have become builtins, but nobody
>>>> updated this MSVC-specific section of the file (which specifically says
>>>> that it should not include builtins). Let's bring it up to date.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
>>>> ---
>>>> Given that nobody has mentioned this, it makes me wonder if anybody is
>>>> even using this part of the Makefile at all these days. Or maybe having
>>>> extra lines here isn't a problem (though it's also missing some entries,
>>>> like one for git-bugreport).
>>>
>>> If having extra entries didn't cause a problem, I would suspect that it
>>> was just that. But that missing entries *also* doesn't cause a problem,
>>> I'd suspect that this section of the Makefile just isn't being used.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'm not using it since I'm not on Windows, but maybe dscho or
>>> Stolee would know if there are legitimate uses. Of course, if there
>>> aren't, I'm favor of getting rid of this section entirely.
>>
>> I cc'd Jeff Hostetler, who added it. :)
>>
>> I'm also pretty not-knowledgeable about Windows, but I think that
>> anybody using MSVC would do so through Visual Studio these days. And
>> that's being covered with recent cmake stuff. Or maybe I'm just
>> clueless. We'll see.
> 
> We have a couple ways to build Git on Windows:
> 
> - the standard way, in a Git for Windows SDK (which is a slightly modified
>    subset of MSYS2). This uses GCC and GNU make and all the things that you
>    might suspect given Git's origins on Linux.
> 
> - the Visual Studio way, after running `make vcxproj` in Git for Windows'
>    SDK. As part of the `vcxproj` target, the non-C parts of Git are
>    generated and committed.
> 
> - the "new" Visual Studio way, after running CMake. The non-C parts are
>    generated through CMake, which is nice because no Git for Windows SDK is
>    required to build this from start to finish.
> 
> - the Visual C way, as championed by Jeff (and which was a prerequisite to
>    working on the `vcxproj` target): in a Git for Windows SDK, use GNU make
>    but replace GCC by MSVC (via the command-line): `make MSVC=1`.


On Windows, I always use either "make" or "make MSVC=1" from a SDK
shell window to build and test.  This lets me debug in either GDB or
Visual Studio directly against the EXE.  (That is, without any of the
project complications in the debugger or the artificial commits created
for the .vcxproj files.)  MSVC builds are built from source all the way 
down (including third-party libraries) thanks to vcpkg.

However, I never install my "make MSVC=1" builds, so I don't care about
the PDBs being redistributed.  As @dscho said, we added that thinking
that we would be able to do MSVC-based releases one day, but that ship
sank.

There were some very-early GVFS users who we (personally) gave MSVC-
based builds to help get stack traces via internal Watson channels,
but that is unnecessary now.

Jeff


> 
> While all four methods work, the only one that is regularly used with the
> `make install` command is the first one.
> 
> The location you modified is in the `MSVC` part of `compat.mak.uname`,
> i.e. in the Visual C part.
> 
> We originally had a tentative plan to eventually, maybe, build Git for
> Windows using Visual C by default. However, it turned out that the
> standard malloc in Visual C's runtime was tuned for other workloads than
> Gits, and that nedmalloc performed better, and we originally could not get
> nedmalloc to compile with a modern Visual C, so we stopped that effort.
> 
> That's why you still have support for `make MSVC=1 install`.
> 
> Since it seems not to be too much trouble, I would prefer to keep it
> working for now, even if it is rarely exercised and regressions might
> creep in (like the ones you fixed).
> 
> Thanks,
> Dscho
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-17 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-13 14:55 [PATCH 0/5] slimming down installed size Jeff King
2020-08-13 14:57 ` [PATCH 1/5] Makefile: drop builtins from MSVC pdb list Jeff King
2020-08-13 15:04   ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-13 15:08     ` Jeff King
2020-08-13 16:37       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-13 17:40         ` Jeff King
2020-08-14 14:18       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-08-14 14:32         ` Jeff King
2020-08-17  4:42           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-08-17 13:20         ` Jeff Hostetler [this message]
2020-08-13 14:58 ` [PATCH 2/5] make credential helpers builtins Jeff King
2020-08-13 15:08   ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-13 15:14     ` Jeff King
2020-08-13 17:55       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-13 14:59 ` [PATCH 3/5] make git-bugreport a builtin Jeff King
2020-08-13 17:01   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-13 17:38     ` Jeff King
2020-08-13 18:25       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-13 18:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-14 10:13           ` Jeff King
2020-08-14 14:25           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-08-14 10:05         ` Jeff King
2020-08-13 18:01   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-14 14:28     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-08-15  6:38     ` Jeff King
2020-08-17 12:12       ` Emily Shaffer
2020-08-17 16:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-17 21:40         ` Jeff King
2020-08-17 12:16   ` Emily Shaffer
2020-08-13 14:59 ` [PATCH 4/5] make git-fast-import " Jeff King
2020-08-13 15:00 ` [PATCH 5/5] drop vcs-svn experiment Jeff King
2020-08-13 15:11   ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-13 15:18     ` Jeff King
2020-08-14 14:39   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-08-14 15:11     ` Jeff King
2020-08-13 15:13 ` [PATCH 0/5] slimming down installed size Taylor Blau

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