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From: Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, jeffhost@microsoft.com,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/15] Trace2 tracing facility
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:21:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4c5cef43-2f35-124a-b88c-397866b6111f@jeffhostetler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h8bvc65j.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com>



On 3/22/2019 10:53 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 22 2019, Jeff Hostetler wrote:
> 
>> On 3/22/2019 9:17 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>>> Hi Ævar,
>>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 21 2019, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15 2019, Jeff Hostetler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could see having a "~/.git_tr2_config" or something similar in
>>>>>>> some place like "/etc" that only contained the Trace2 settings. It
>>>>>>> would be safe to read very early inside main() and we would not
>>>>>>> consider it to be part of the real config.  For example, "git
>>>>>>> config" would not know about it.  Then you could enforce a
>>>>>>> system-wide setting without any of the env var issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't written a patch for this, but it seems to me that we could
>>>>>> just start reading /etc/gitconfig via some custom config callback
>>>>>> code early as e.g. 58b284a2e91 ("worktree: add per-worktree config
>>>>>> files", 2018-10-21) does for the worktree config.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oy. Oy, oy, oy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe use `read_early_config()` instead? That would be *a lot*
>>>>> cleaner. You could maybe use a9bcf6586d1a (alias: use the early config
>>>>> machinery to expand aliases, 2017-06-14) as an inspiration.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. I was thinking *only* to do /etc/gitconfig and not the whole
>>>> .git/config -> ~/.gitconfig etc. sequence just in terms of saving
>>>> critical time (this is the performance trace path, after all...).
>>>>
>>>> But on a second reading I see that read_early_config() can do that if
>>>> you set config_source->file, opts->respect_includes etc. I.e. it just
>>>> (depending on options) resolves to git_config_from_file() which
>>>> 58b284a2e91 used directly.
>>>
>>> Sure, it can exclude the repo and user config, but would that not be
>>> rather confusing?
>>
>> This was hidden in my earlier message.
>>
>> There's a lot a config machinery here with lots of chicken-n-egg
>> problems.  I want to know at the top of main() as quickly as possible
>> whether trace2 should be enabled.
>>
>> I don't want to slow down git by spinning up a bunch of trace2 state
>> and wait until the git-dir is discovered, the "-c" args are processed,
>> and we dispatch into the builtin layer and the config is enumerated
>> to know if it should really be on or not.
>>
>> I also didn't want to introduce another full iteration of the full
>> config system for startup performance reasons.
>>
>> I played with read_early_config() at one point and it always seemed
>> to introduce side-effects.  Perhaps I was calling it earlier than it
>> was expecting and that triggered some of the git-dir discovery or
>> something. I don't remember all the details, I just remember that it
>> changed some behaviors in subtle ways.
>>
>> Perhaps I could call something like git_config_from_file() with the
>> right set of magic bits to get it to parse exactly 1 system config
>> file that would contain my trace2 settings.  Hopefully, this will
>> not have any side-effects.
> 
> Right, it also occurred to me that e.g. /home tends to be on NFS on some
> systems, but very rarely /etc. I'd hate for trace reporting for git to
> stall because NFS slows to a halt, so aside from temporary
> implementation details (e.g. -c on the CLI not working) there's a good
> case to be made for "read this from /etc/gitconfig only".
> 
>> But if we lump them in with the main /etc/gitconfig settings, we
>> would have to explain that these trace2 config settings are
>> system-only and ARE NOT overridden by "-c", global, local, ...
>> config settings.  This would get confusing if the user tried to
>> set local values and did:
>> 	git config --list --show-origin
>> and it showed system and local values but yet "stubbornly" refused
>> to use the local values over the system values. (I think this was
>> Johannes' point.)
>>
>> That's why I was suggesting a system trace2 config file that is a
>> peer of /etc/gitconfig (maybe /etc/gittrace2) that would have these
>> values and not be expected to interact with the main config system.
>> That is, we just use the git_config_ routines to parse the file format,
>> rather than inventing another file format, but not change the
>> expectation of the established config value inheritance system.
>>
>> If there's no objections, I'll take a look at doing this.
> 
> I'd much rather just drop it in /etc/gitconfig with documented caveats
> than introduce a new and permanent thing like /etc/gittrace2 due to a
> current implementation detail.
> 
> Unlike something in core.* or whatever this facility is specialized
> enough that I think it's fine to make it a bit of a special snowflake
> given what it does and the target audience.
> 
> But even with those caveats it's still useful to see it in 'git config
> -l --show-origin' for inspecting, and e.g. have it just work out of the
> box with say the default puppetry for the likes of GitLab that now knows
> how to set stuff in its /etc/gitconfig, but would need a special case
> just for this.
> 

ok, if we're comfortable with those caveats, i'll proceed as
you suggested. thanks for the quick response.

Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-22 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-22 21:22 [PATCH 00/14] Trace2 tracing facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 01/14] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-23 20:51   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-25 21:13     ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-25 13:19   ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-25 17:53     ` Josh Steadmon
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 02/14] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-25 11:22   ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-25 19:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 04/14] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 03/14] trace2: collect platform-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 05/14] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 06/14] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 07/14] trace2:data: add trace2 transport child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 08/14] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 09/14] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 10/14] pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-23  1:19   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 11/14] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 12/14] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 13/14] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 21:22 ` [PATCH 14/14] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-22 23:21 ` [PATCH 00/14] Trace2 tracing facility Junio C Hamano
2019-01-25 20:03 ` Josh Steadmon
2019-01-30 18:45   ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-28 16:15 ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-28 18:07   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-28 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] trace2: collect platform-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] trace2:data: add trace2 transport child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 21:47   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-28 22:23     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-29 22:08       ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-30 19:51   ` [PATCH v3 00/14] Trace2 tracing facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 01/14] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 02/14] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 04/14] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 03/14] trace2: collect platform-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 06/14] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 05/14] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 07/14] trace2:data: add trace2 transport " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 08/14] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 09/14] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 10/14] pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 11/14] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 12/14] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 13/14] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 19:51     ` [PATCH v3 14/14] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56     ` [PATCH v4 00/14] Trace2 tracing facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 01/14] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-31 14:11         ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-31 22:33           ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-31 23:39             ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 02/14] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 03/14] trace2: collect platform-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-31 23:15         ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-02-01 11:12           ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 04/14] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 05/14] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 06/14] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 07/14] trace2:data: add trace2 transport child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 08/14] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 09/14] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 10/14] pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 11/14] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 12/14] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 13/14] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-30 20:56       ` [PATCH v4 14/14] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-31 23:28         ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-31 23:41           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 11:08             ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-31 18:46       ` [PATCH v4 00/14] Trace2 tracing facility Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 17:58       ` [PATCH v5 00/15] " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:58         ` [PATCH v5 01/15] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 02/15] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 03/15] trace2: collect Windows-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 05/15] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 04/15] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 06/15] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 07/15] trace2:data: add trace2 transport child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 08/15] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 09/15] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 10/15] trace2:data: pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 11/15] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 12/15] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 14/15] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-13 13:15           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 13/15] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-01 17:59         ` [PATCH v5 15/15] trace2: add for_each macros to clang-format Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15         ` [PATCH v6 00/15] Trace2 tracing facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 01/15] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 02/15] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-15 16:00             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-15 17:57               ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 03/15] trace2: collect Windows-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 04/15] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 05/15] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 06/15] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:15           ` [PATCH v6 07/15] trace2:data: add trace2 transport child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 08/15] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 09/15] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 10/15] trace2:data: pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 11/15] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 12/15] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 13/15] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 14/15] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-06 17:16           ` [PATCH v6 15/15] trace2: add for_each macros to clang-format Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-14 12:33           ` [PATCH v6 00/15] Trace2 tracing facility Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-15 17:25             ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-03-17 14:22               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-21 14:30                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-03-21 14:48                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 13:17                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-03-22 14:01                       ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-03-22 14:53                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 15:21                           ` Jeff Hostetler [this message]
2019-02-22 22:24           ` [PATCH v7 " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 01/15] trace2: Documentation/technical/api-trace2.txt Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 02/15] trace2: create new combined trace facility Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-05-10 17:28               ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-05-10 19:54                 ` Derrick Stolee
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 03/15] trace2: collect Windows-specific process information Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 04/15] trace2:data: add trace2 regions to wt-status Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 05/15] trace2:data: add editor/pager child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 06/15] trace2:data: add trace2 sub-process classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 07/15] trace2:data: add trace2 transport child classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 08/15] trace2:data: add trace2 hook classification Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 10/15] trace2:data: pack-objects: add trace2 regions Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 09/15] trace2:data: add trace2 instrumentation to index read/write Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-05-10 13:37               ` [PATCH] trace2: fix up a missing "leave" entry point Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-05-10 13:45                 ` Derrick Stolee
2019-05-20 16:50                 ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 11/15] trace2:data: add subverb to checkout command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 12/15] trace2:data: add subverb to reset command Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 14/15] trace2: t/helper/test-trace2, t0210.sh, t0211.sh, t0212.sh Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 13/15] trace2:data: add subverb for rebase Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-02-22 22:25             ` [PATCH v7 15/15] trace2: add for_each macros to clang-format Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2019-01-31 14:38     ` [PATCH v3 00/14] Trace2 tracing facility SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-31 14:53       ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-31 18:51         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-31 19:45           ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-31 22:11             ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-01-31 23:30               ` Junio C Hamano

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