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From: "J.H." <warthog9@eaglescrag.net>
To: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/18] gitweb: add isDumbClient() check
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:00:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D01A5F3.8030108@eaglescrag.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3hbem1o7a.fsf@localhost.localdomain>

>> +	my($user_agent) = $ENV{'HTTP_USER_AGENT'};
> 
> What if $ENV{'HTTP_USER_AGENT'} is unset / undef, e.g. because we are
> runing gitweb as a script... which includes running gitweb tests?

It can be disabled for the running of tests, but the default is to show
'Generating...' vs. not.  I'd rather assume there's an intelligent
client on the other end and give users a reason why they aren't staring
at their initial content immediately (and thus thinking something is
broken).

>> +	
>> +	if(
>> +		# wget case
>> +		$user_agent =~ /^Wget/i
>> +		||
>> +		# curl should be excluded I think, probably better safe than sorry
>> +		$user_agent =~ /^curl/i
>> +	  ){
>> +		return 1;	# True
>> +	}
>> +
>> +	return 0;
>> +}
> 
> Compare (note: handcrafted solution is to whitelist, not blacklist):
> 
> +sub browser_is_robot {
> +       return 1 if !exists $ENV{'HTTP_USER_AGENT'}; # gitweb run as script
> +       if (eval { require HTTP::BrowserDetect; }) {
> +               my $browser = HTTP::BrowserDetect->new();
> +               return $browser->robot();
> +       }
> +       # fallback on detecting known web browsers
> +       return 0 if ($ENV{'HTTP_USER_AGENT'} =~ /\b(?:Mozilla|Opera|Safari|IE)\b/);
> +       # be conservative; if not sure, assume non-interactive
> +       return 1;
> +}

My initial look indicated that perl-http-browserdetect wasn't available
for RHEL / CentOS 5 - it is however available in EPEL.

However there are a couple of things to note about User Agents at all:
	- They lie... a lot
	- Robots lie even more

Blacklisting is still the better option, by a lot.  I'll re-work this
some in v9, as I'm fine with the added dependency.

- John 'Warthog9' Hawley

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-10  3:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-09 21:57 [PATCH 00/18] Gitweb caching v8 John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 01/18] gitweb: Prepare for splitting gitweb John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 23:30   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 02/18] gitweb: add output buffering and associated functions John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 03/18] gitweb: File based caching layer (from git.kernel.org) John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 04/18] gitweb: Minimal testing of gitweb caching John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 05/18] gitweb: Regression fix concerning binary output of files John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 23:33   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 06/18] gitweb: Add more explicit means of disabling 'Generating...' page John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 07/18] gitweb: Revert back to $cache_enable vs. $caching_enabled John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 23:38   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  2:38     ` J.H.
2010-12-10 13:48       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 08/18] gitweb: Change is_cacheable() to return true always John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 23:46   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 09/18] gitweb: Revert reset_output() back to original code John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-09 23:58   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  2:43     ` J.H.
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 10/18] gitweb: Adding isBinaryAction() and isFeedAction() to determine the action type John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  0:06   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  3:39     ` J.H.
2010-12-10 12:10       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10 12:25         ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 11/18] gitweb: add isDumbClient() check John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  0:12   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  4:00     ` J.H. [this message]
2010-12-11  0:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-12-11  0:15         ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-11  1:15           ` J.H.
2010-12-11  1:40             ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 12/18] gitweb: Change file handles (in caching) to lexical variables as opposed to globs John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  0:16   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  0:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-12-10  0:47       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  5:56       ` J.H.
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 13/18] gitweb: Add commented url & url hash to page footer John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  0:26   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  6:10     ` J.H.
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 14/18] gitweb: add print_transient_header() function for central header printing John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  0:36   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  6:18     ` J.H.
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 15/18] gitweb: Add show_warning() to display an immediate warning, with refresh John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  1:01   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  7:38     ` J.H.
2010-12-10 14:10       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 16/18] gitweb: When changing output (STDOUT) change STDERR as well John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  1:36   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-12  5:25     ` J.H.
2010-12-12 15:17       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 17/18] gitweb: Prepare for cached error pages & better error page handling John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  1:49   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  8:33     ` J.H.
2010-12-10 20:33       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 21:57 ` [PATCH 18/18] gitweb: Add better error handling for gitweb caching John 'Warthog9' Hawley
2010-12-10  1:56   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-09 23:26 ` [PATCH 00/18] Gitweb caching v8 Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  0:43   ` J.H.
2010-12-10  1:27     ` Jakub Narebski
2010-12-10  0:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-12-10  0:45   ` J.H.

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