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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Cc: Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>,
	Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/13] merge-ort, diffcore-rename: employ cached renames when possible
Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 07:17:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48f5d6f8-0ad9-0622-58a6-9887f797f4e7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABPp-BFdxn9f0-jUjY6Ake_6kX-jeN1EEzpeJeTg+TV4wfepwg@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/19/21 8:36 PM, Elijah Newren wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 7:23 AM Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> wrote:>> As I was reading, I was also thinking that it would be good to
>> have some kind of tracing, if only a summary of how often we
>> relied upon the cached renames.
> 
> That's an interesting thought.  If there are renames that remain
> cached, the code always uses them (whether we need the cached rename
> or not doesn't matter since we already have it and it is cheap to
> use), so a summary would probably be the only thing that would make
> sense.
> 
> The easiest summary of how often we rely upon cached renames, is
> checking if we have enough to avoid calling diffcore_rename_extended()
> entirely.  That's precisely what the code above does that you are
> responding to.
> 
> What more information could we get out?  I guess we could get ever so
> slightly more information by tracking how many times we decide that
> the cache from a previous merge can be re-used (by tracking the number
> of times that cached_valid_side is set to 1 or 2 instead of 0).  Since
> we sometimes have some cached renames but not enough to skip rename
> detection (because source paths that were irrelevant in previous
> commits are marked relevant for the current commit), this would be an
> independent number from the region_enter-diffcore_rename count used
> above.
> 
>> That would present a mechanism
>> for the test cases to verify that the rename cache is behaving
>> as expected
> 
> How so?  I did check something like that above with verifying I was
> able to reduce the number of calls to diffcore_rename_extended() while
> still getting the expected result (which can only be done if renames
> are known).  The only additional thing I can think of we could check
> would be a testcase where renames are cached and can be re-used but
> it's not enough to avoid calling diffcore_rename_extended().  Did you
> have something else in mind?
> 
>> but also provides a way to diagnose any issues that
>> might arise in the future by asking a user to reproduce a
>> problematic rebase/merge with a GIT_TRACE2* target. Such a
>> change would fit as a follow-up, and does not need to insert
>> into an already heavy patch.
> 
> I'm not sure what information could be recorded that would help
> diagnose any such issues.  "9 out of 10 commits in your rebase reused
> cached renames" just doesn't seem granular enough to help.  Is there
> something else you were thinking of recording?

My initial thought was to include basic summary statistics, such
as "number of cached renames used" and "number of new renames" and
"number of invalidated cached renames" or something, summarized per
commit in the list. The information might not be a clear way to
find a root cause to a strange rebase, but it would help someone
looking for the root cause to know whether this rename cache is
involved or not.

As for the use in the test cases, we might be able to see the list
of trace2 results and extract the number of each type of statistic,
matching them to our expectations. That might make the tests too
fragile to future changes, though.

I'm commenting also on your v3 that we don't need to pursue the
trace2 idea right now, and can do it if we find it necessary to
diagnose any issues with the feature.

Thanks,
-Stolee

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-22 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-24 21:32 [PATCH 0/7] Optimization batch 11: avoid repeatedly detecting same renames Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 1/7] merge-ort: add data structures for in-memory caching of rename detection Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 2/7] merge-ort: populate caches of rename detection results Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 3/7] merge-ort: add code to check for whether cached renames can be reused Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 4/7] merge-ort: avoid accidental API mis-use Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 5/7] merge-ort: preserve cached renames for the appropriate side Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 6/7] merge-ort: add helper functions for using cached renames Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 21:32 ` [PATCH 7/7] merge-ort, diffcore-rename: employ cached renames when possible Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 22:04 ` [PATCH 0/7] Optimization batch 11: avoid repeatedly detecting same renames Junio C Hamano
2021-03-24 23:25   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-25 18:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-29 22:34       ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-30 12:07         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-04  2:12 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 01/13] t6423: rename file within directory that other side renamed Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 02/13] Documentation/technical: describe remembering renames optimization Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 03/13] fast-rebase: change assert() to BUG() Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 04/13] fast-rebase: write conflict state to working tree, index, and HEAD Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 13:32     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-18  3:42       ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-18 13:54         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 05/13] t6429: testcases for remembering renames Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 06/13] merge-ort: add data structures for in-memory caching of rename detection Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 13:41     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-18  3:55       ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-18 13:57         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 07/13] merge-ort: populate caches of rename detection results Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 13:51     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-20  0:48       ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 08/13] merge-ort: add code to check for whether cached renames can be reused Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 14:01     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 09/13] merge-ort: avoid accidental API mis-use Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 14:10     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 10/13] merge-ort: preserve cached renames for the appropriate side Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 11/13] merge-ort: add helper functions for using cached renames Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 12/13] merge-ort: handle interactions of caching and rename/rename(1to1) cases Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 14:16     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-04  2:12   ` [PATCH v2 13/13] merge-ort, diffcore-rename: employ cached renames when possible Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-17 14:23     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-20  0:36       ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-22 11:17         ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2021-05-14 17:37   ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Optimization batch 11: avoid repeatedly detecting same renames Elijah Newren
2021-05-14 21:04     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-20  6:09   ` [PATCH v3 " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 01/13] t6423: rename file within directory that other side renamed Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 02/13] Documentation/technical: describe remembering renames optimization Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20 11:32       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-20 15:14         ` Kerry, Richard
2021-05-20 16:34         ` Elijah Newren
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 03/13] fast-rebase: change assert() to BUG() Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 04/13] fast-rebase: write conflict state to working tree, index, and HEAD Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 05/13] t6429: testcases for remembering renames Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 06/13] merge-ort: add data structures for in-memory caching of rename detection Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 07/13] merge-ort: populate caches of rename detection results Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 08/13] merge-ort: add code to check for whether cached renames can be reused Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 09/13] merge-ort: avoid accidental API mis-use Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 10/13] merge-ort: preserve cached renames for the appropriate side Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 11/13] merge-ort: add helper functions for using cached renames Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 12/13] merge-ort: handle interactions of caching and rename/rename(1to1) cases Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-20  6:09     ` [PATCH v3 13/13] merge-ort, diffcore-rename: employ cached renames when possible Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2021-05-22 11:17     ` [PATCH v3 00/13] Optimization batch 11: avoid repeatedly detecting same renames Derrick Stolee

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