From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andreas Ericsson Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:42:44 +0200 Message-ID: <48B50574.6020502@op5.se> References: <7vprnzt7d5.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219664940.9583.42.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vy72kek6y.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080826145719.GB5046@coredump.intra.peff.net> <1219764860.4471.13.camel@gaara.bos.redhat.com> <1219766398.7107.87.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080826182349.0a1a75e2@hyperion.delvare> <20080826192039.5ffa6eec@hyperion.delvare> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: Takashi Iwai , David Woodhouse , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Kristian_H=F8gsberg?= , Johannes Schindelin , users@kernel.org, Jeff King , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org To: Jean Delvare X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Wed Aug 27 09:44:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYFhB-00030p-Cs for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:44:01 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754566AbYH0Hmy convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:42:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754532AbYH0Hmy (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:42:54 -0400 Received: from mail.op5.se ([193.201.96.20]:39073 "EHLO mail.op5.se" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753927AbYH0Hmw (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:42:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.op5.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9902E1B8004E; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:47:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.399 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.op5.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.op5.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BpHvVFAtNQla; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:47:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from clix.int.op5.se (unknown [192.168.1.184]) by mail.op5.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87E824B0B25; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:47:23 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080723) In-Reply-To: <20080826192039.5ffa6eec@hyperion.delvare> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Jean Delvare wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:50:25 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: >> At Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:49 +0200, >> Jean Delvare wrote: >>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:59:58 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: >>>> On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:34 -0400, Kristian H=F8gsberg wrote: >>>>> It's pretty normal to see opponents of a decision like this compl= ain >>>>> loudly when it lands on their system, whereas the silent majority= in >>>>> favour will be happy to see the change finally implemented but re= luctant >>>>> to stir up the discussion again. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think new arguments are brought to the discussion, just n= ew >>>>> people, who are temporarily inconvened by a change towards sanity= =2E >>>> Nice emotive response, especially the subtle but unsubstantiated '= silent >>>> majority in favour' bit -- but you forgot the part where you were >>>> supposed to actually point out a tangible benefit which is achieve= d by >>>> breaking compatibility like this. >>>> >>>> And no, reducing the size of /usr/bin by a tiny fraction isn't rea= lly a >>>> worthwhile benefit -- in reality, the 'silent majority' really cou= ldn't >>>> give a monkey's left testicle about that, and breakage caused by t= he >>>> gratuitous change _far_ outweighs any minuscule improvement. >>> Reducing /usr/bin in size was totally worthwhile. Maybe not to you,= but >>> to the silent majority I am a proud member of, it was. (I'm not say= ing >>> that the path that was taken to get there was optimal, just that th= e >>> goal was sound.) >>> >>> I just can't think of any other tool which installs over 100 binari= es >>> (or scripts, that's the same) in /usr/bin. Can you? >> netpbm has almost 300 in /usr/bin. >=20 > Ouch. (I guess I shouldn't have asked.) >=20 > Does netpbm do anything convert (ImageMagick) doesn't? I'd be happy t= o > get rid of netpbm. >=20 netpbm-progs (the rpm containing all the 320 programs in /usr/bin) is required for xmlto to function properly, which in turn is necessary to build the git documentation. This is on Fedora 9, btw. --=20 Andreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231