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From: Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>
To: Jari Aalto <jari.aalto@cante.net>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: On Tabs and Spaces
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:36:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47168E70.4070305@op5.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <k5pll7rb.fsf@blue.sea.net>

Jari Aalto wrote:
> * Wed 2007-10-17 Michael Witten <mfwitten@MIT.EDU>
> * Message-Id: E29971BA-7306-4570-8383-26D0C9C0B814@mit.edu
>> On 17 Oct 2007, at 3:17:08 AM, Luke Lu wrote:
>>
>>> But I still haven't seen any compelling arguments against the "all
>>> space" case
>> Overhead!
>>
>> If you use 8 spaces instead of one tab,
>> that's using up 7x more space!
> 
> Software is the right place to worry about optimization. We should trust
> SCM to make proper and efficient deltas. If not, algorithms need
> improvemnts.
> 
> Any cross platform development or electronic exchange is guaranteed to
> be interpreted correctly when policy enforces "only spaces"
> 
> As we have already seen in numerous times in this thread, using tabs
> will - eventually - be interpreted in some editor, in some display, in
> some encironment using some tools ... incorrectly or different than the
> author intended. Simply because editors are configurable and we cannot
> know what settings they may have when they load the file in.
> 

And simply because nearly all (unix) editors still insert a hard tab
when pressing the tab key, and *mixing* tabs and spaces makes the
situation *really* unbearable, one really shouldn't use all spaces.

It's code, not graphics. If it's really horrible, any editor can be
configured to change the non-default tab-setting back to 8 if that's
the problem. Mine's set to 4. Primarily because I think 8 is too
much. Sometimes (roughly once every 2 years), that gives me problem.
It's exclusively when someone has consciously mixed tabs and spaces.
Using either or *never* gives any problem.

> There is no such problem with spaces. 
> 

I beg to differ, for reasons stated multiple times elsewhere in this
thread.

> The storage constraints are insignificant given the disk space vs. cost;

Perhaps, but it's low-hanging fruit and since all spaces have its issues
too, why not just go with tabs?

-- 
Andreas Ericsson                   andreas.ericsson@op5.se
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Tel: +46 8-230225                  Fax: +46 8-230231

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-17 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-16  6:45 On Tabs and Spaces Michael Witten
2007-10-16  7:04 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-16  7:27   ` Michael Witten
2007-10-16 17:20     ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16 17:40       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-16 23:09         ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-17  3:41           ` David
2007-10-17 11:32             ` Andy Parkins
2007-10-16  8:30 ` Adam Piatyszek
2007-10-16  9:04   ` Lars Hjemli
2007-10-16 10:16     ` Adam Piatyszek
2007-10-16 15:26       ` Jeffrey C. Ollie
2007-10-16 15:51         ` Michael Witten
2007-10-16 17:06           ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-16 19:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 19:36               ` Mike Hommey
2007-10-16 19:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 19:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 20:32                   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-10-16 20:18               ` Tom Tobin
2007-10-16 23:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-16 23:51                   ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-17  0:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17  3:08                       ` Michael Witten
2007-10-17  3:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17  7:17                       ` Luke Lu
2007-10-17  9:09                         ` Michael Witten
2007-10-17 10:03                           ` Luke Lu
2007-10-17 10:21                           ` Nikolai Weibull
2007-10-17 11:23                             ` Michael Witten
2007-10-17 22:02                           ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-17 22:36                             ` Andreas Ericsson [this message]
2007-10-17 23:38                               ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-18  4:31                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-10-18  8:19                                   ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-18 11:34                                     ` Petr Baudis
2007-10-18 11:39                                       ` Nikolai Weibull
2007-10-22  3:39                                         ` Miles Bader
2007-10-18  7:15                               ` David Kågedal
2007-10-18  5:42                             ` Mike Hommey
2007-10-18 10:36                               ` Jari Aalto
2007-10-17 15:53                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 18:05                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-17 18:25                           ` Tom Tobin
2007-10-17 18:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 19:33                               ` Tom Tobin
2007-10-17 19:44                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 19:48                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-17 19:52                                 ` Josh England
2007-10-17 19:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 21:21                                   ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-17 22:03                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  6:25                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 22:11                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-17 23:17                                       ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-17 23:44                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-18  0:31                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2007-10-18  6:02                                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-18  7:12                                             ` David Kågedal
2007-10-17 23:53                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-17 20:31                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 21:08                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-17 19:47                               ` Jan Wielemaker
2007-10-18  0:32                           ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  0:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  2:45                               ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  3:03                                 ` david
2007-10-18  3:00                                   ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  3:32                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  4:17                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:13                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:23                                   ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  4:41                                     ` [PATCH] Add a message explaining that automatic GC is about to start koreth
2007-10-18  4:44                                       ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-18  5:01                                       ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  5:11                                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-18 13:52                                       ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-10-18 14:16                                         ` Steven Grimm
2007-10-18 18:08                                           ` Jeff King
2007-10-19  0:16                                           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-19  1:12                                             ` [PATCH] git-gc: improve wording of --auto notification Jeff King
2007-10-19  1:24                                               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-19  1:26                                                 ` Jeff King
2007-10-18 14:21                                         ` [PATCH] Add a message explaining that automatic GC is about to start Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-18  4:52                                 ` On Tabs and Spaces Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-18  4:54                                   ` Jeff King
2007-10-18  4:55                                     ` Jeff King
2007-10-17 16:08                         ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 17:44                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-10-17 19:52                             ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 17:51                           ` Sean
2007-10-17  5:56                   ` David Kastrup
2007-10-16 20:56               ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-10-18  3:31               ` Paul Wankadia
2007-10-18  4:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  4:36               ` Dmitry Potapov
2007-10-16 17:23         ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-16 18:34           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-10-16 18:51             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-20 13:54 ` Robin Rosenberg

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