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From: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
To: Dmitry Kakurin <dmitry.kakurin@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: .gitignore, .gitattributes, .gitmodules, .gitprecious?, .gitacls? etc.
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:51:52 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D23C48.6060904@vilain.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B4A2AE9980774365B5D14B442A7A22F6@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com>

Dmitry Kakurin wrote:
>> A tree that has .gitattributes (and I am assuming in the longer
>> term you can use "ignore" and "precious" in .gitattributes
>> instead of using .gitignore) POINTS TO A BLOB already, so what
>> you are saying does not add anything to what we already have,
>> other than that you are renaming .gitattributes to "META ENTRY".
>
> Almost true! The difference is: META BLOBS are not created as files in
> the workspace (not during checkout, not ever).
> In order to edit it you'd have to use 'git meta' command.
> So once again, there is only one place to check for metadata - the index.

Can I just chime in here and express my distaste for this idea, on
several grounds, but the summary is that svn does it this way, so it
must be wrong.

These files which store metadata would be stored in a way that is "in
another dimension" to the project files, despite being a part of the
history.  That means that all tools built to deal with regular files and
directories will not be able to merge the changes to the attributes
without special support.  I think this is broken.

This is something I frequently run up against with people coming from
Subversion, which supports unversioned revision properties which can
change randomly and without trace, and per-file/directory properties
which are simply files which you can't refer to in the regular way, and
are interpreted in an application-specific way.

My question to these people, and my question to you is: why do these
files need to be served from another dimension, what value does it add?

You see, either way, their contents need to be processed in an
application-specific way.  Same thing with git's "commit properties" -
basically just RFC822.. headers used in the commit message.  People I
have talked to have described this as "more arbitrary" than conventions
for attributes which are structured.  However, when pressed I have yet
to hear a clear argument why this is the case.

As far as file properties goes, I still like Linus' idea of making these
files which are accessed by treating the file as a directory (eg
filename.txt/ACL, filename.txt/mime-type), and that approach could be
represented in git well.

Sam.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-27  2:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-26  2:59 .gitignore, .gitattributes, .gitmodules, .gitprecious?, .gitacls? etc Dmitry Kakurin
2007-08-26  4:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-08-26  5:17   ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-08-26  5:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-08-26  6:36       ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-08-26  7:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-08-26  8:02           ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-08-26 10:06             ` Petr Baudis
     [not found]               ` <4C603F7C51884DF8AFAEC3F6E263798D@ntdev.corp.microsoft.com>
2007-08-27 20:27                 ` .gitignore, .gitattributes, .gitmodules, .gitprecious?,.gitacls? etc Dmitry Kakurin
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708280945350.28586@racer.site>
2007-09-04 20:23                     ` Jan Hudec
2007-09-05  8:06                       ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-09-05  8:14                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-05  8:31                           ` Dmitry Kakurin
2007-09-05 18:38                           ` Jan Hudec
2007-08-27  2:51             ` Sam Vilain [this message]
2007-08-27  5:52               ` .gitignore, .gitattributes, .gitmodules, .gitprecious?, .gitacls? etc David Kastrup
2007-08-27 10:56                 ` Sam Vilain
2007-08-27 11:26                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-27 11:30                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]                     ` <46D33A15.1000003@vilain.net>
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708280942360.28586@racer.site>
     [not found]                         ` <46D4A4F8.9040004@vilain.net>
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708290007020.28586@racer.site>
2007-09-04 20:49                             ` Jan Hudec
2007-08-26 15:05     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-08-27 11:35   ` martin f krafft
2007-08-27 15:34   ` Sergio Callegari
2007-08-27 15:48     ` David Kastrup
2007-08-27 16:54       ` Petr Baudis
2007-08-27 17:22         ` Sergio Callegari
2007-08-27 17:07       ` Sergio Callegari
2007-09-04 21:03         ` Jan Hudec

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