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From: Ben Knoble <ben.knoble@gmail.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Cc: Chuck Wolber <chuck@wolber.net>,
	Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	Rick Sanders <rick@sfconservancy.org>,
	Git at SFC <git@sfconservancy.org>,
	Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>,
	Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] SubmittingPatches: add section about AI
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 22:30:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F7B31F-1CED-4A74-A69C-1C3D61B10A42@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aN26C68pxi-eJgn8@fruit.crustytoothpaste.net>


> Le 1 oct. 2025 à 19:44, brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net> a écrit :
> 
> On 2025-10-01 at 18:59:31, Chuck Wolber wrote:
> 
>> AI is not going away, and we need to find a way to use it productively
>> _without_ losing our sense of self-reliance. If we fail to develop this ability
>> when AI is hardly more skilled than an above average intern, full of hubris and
>> zero real world experience, imagine how unqualified we will be when AI becomes
>> competent enough to manipulate and mislead us?
> 
> I think you assume LLMs can have intelligence.  They are glorified
> prediction engines, effectively fancy Markov chains.  In some cases,
> that can be useful and valuable and we can do interesting things with
> them, but they cannot actually have intelligence, creativity or reason.
> 
> And LLMs already manipulate and mislead people.  They have been
> implicated in goading teenagers to suicide or leading people into
> conspiracy theories.  Some LLMs espouse racist, anti-Semitic, or
> otherwise hateful views.  That's a good reason to be wary of them and
> how they're incorporated to our lives, at least until such a time that
> they have appropriate safety measures and regulation in place (if that
> ever happens).

A tangent, and one I’m happy to continue but off-list (I’m happy to continue publicly, but this is not the forum): I’d encourage folks to give the LLMentalist Effect [1] a read. Regardless of where you fall on “intelligence vs stochastic parrot,” I think you’ll find some interesting conclusions.

[1]: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/llmentalist

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-02  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-30 20:32 [RFC/PATCH] SubmittingPatches: forbid use of genAI to generate changes Junio C Hamano
2025-06-30 21:07 ` brian m. carlson
2025-06-30 21:23   ` Collin Funk
2025-07-01 10:36 ` Christian Couder
2025-07-01 11:07   ` Christian Couder
2025-07-01 17:33     ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-01 16:20   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-08 14:23     ` Christian Couder
2025-10-01 14:02 ` [PATCH v2] SubmittingPatches: add section about AI Christian Couder
2025-10-01 18:59   ` Chuck Wolber
2025-10-01 23:32     ` brian m. carlson
2025-10-02  2:30       ` Ben Knoble [this message]
2025-10-03 13:33     ` Christian Couder
2025-10-01 20:59   ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-03  8:51     ` Christian Couder
2025-10-03 16:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-03 16:45         ` rsbecker
2025-10-08  7:22         ` Christian Couder
2025-10-01 21:37   ` brian m. carlson
2025-10-03 14:25     ` Christian Couder
2025-10-03 20:48     ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-03 22:20       ` brian m. carlson
2025-10-06 17:45         ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08  4:18           ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-12 15:07             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08  9:28           ` Christian Couder
2025-10-13 18:14             ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-23 17:32               ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08  4:18         ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-08  8:37         ` Christian Couder
2025-10-08  9:28           ` Michal Suchánek
2025-10-08  9:35             ` Christian Couder
2025-10-09  1:13           ` Collin Funk
2025-10-08  7:30       ` Christian Couder

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