From: Ben Knoble <ben.knoble@gmail.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Cc: Chuck Wolber <chuck@wolber.net>,
Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
Rick Sanders <rick@sfconservancy.org>,
Git at SFC <git@sfconservancy.org>,
Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>,
Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>,
Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] SubmittingPatches: add section about AI
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 22:30:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F7B31F-1CED-4A74-A69C-1C3D61B10A42@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aN26C68pxi-eJgn8@fruit.crustytoothpaste.net>
> Le 1 oct. 2025 à 19:44, brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net> a écrit :
>
> On 2025-10-01 at 18:59:31, Chuck Wolber wrote:
>
>> AI is not going away, and we need to find a way to use it productively
>> _without_ losing our sense of self-reliance. If we fail to develop this ability
>> when AI is hardly more skilled than an above average intern, full of hubris and
>> zero real world experience, imagine how unqualified we will be when AI becomes
>> competent enough to manipulate and mislead us?
>
> I think you assume LLMs can have intelligence. They are glorified
> prediction engines, effectively fancy Markov chains. In some cases,
> that can be useful and valuable and we can do interesting things with
> them, but they cannot actually have intelligence, creativity or reason.
>
> And LLMs already manipulate and mislead people. They have been
> implicated in goading teenagers to suicide or leading people into
> conspiracy theories. Some LLMs espouse racist, anti-Semitic, or
> otherwise hateful views. That's a good reason to be wary of them and
> how they're incorporated to our lives, at least until such a time that
> they have appropriate safety measures and regulation in place (if that
> ever happens).
A tangent, and one I’m happy to continue but off-list (I’m happy to continue publicly, but this is not the forum): I’d encourage folks to give the LLMentalist Effect [1] a read. Regardless of where you fall on “intelligence vs stochastic parrot,” I think you’ll find some interesting conclusions.
[1]: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/llmentalist
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-02 2:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-30 20:32 [RFC/PATCH] SubmittingPatches: forbid use of genAI to generate changes Junio C Hamano
2025-06-30 21:07 ` brian m. carlson
2025-06-30 21:23 ` Collin Funk
2025-07-01 10:36 ` Christian Couder
2025-07-01 11:07 ` Christian Couder
2025-07-01 17:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-01 16:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-08 14:23 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-01 14:02 ` [PATCH v2] SubmittingPatches: add section about AI Christian Couder
2025-10-01 18:59 ` Chuck Wolber
2025-10-01 23:32 ` brian m. carlson
2025-10-02 2:30 ` Ben Knoble [this message]
2025-10-03 13:33 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-01 20:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-03 8:51 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-03 16:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-03 16:45 ` rsbecker
2025-10-08 7:22 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-01 21:37 ` brian m. carlson
2025-10-03 14:25 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-03 20:48 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-03 22:20 ` brian m. carlson
2025-10-06 17:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 4:18 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-12 15:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 9:28 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-13 18:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-23 17:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 4:18 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-08 8:37 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-08 9:28 ` Michal Suchánek
2025-10-08 9:35 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-09 1:13 ` Collin Funk
2025-10-08 7:30 ` Christian Couder
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