From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB821F517 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2018 22:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753464AbeFIWo3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 9 Jun 2018 18:44:29 -0400 Received: from bsmtp7.bon.at ([213.33.87.19]:3048 "EHLO bsmtp7.bon.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753441AbeFIWo2 (ORCPT ); Sat, 9 Jun 2018 18:44:28 -0400 Received: from dx.site (unknown [93.83.142.38]) by bsmtp7.bon.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 413DqG3817z5tlF; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:44:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by dx.site (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FB5D9; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:44:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1] telemetry design overview (part 1) To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= , Thomas Braun , Jeff King , git@jeffhostetler.com, git@vger.kernel.org, gitster@pobox.com, Jeff Hostetler References: <20180607145313.25015-1-git@jeffhostetler.com> <20180608090758.GA15112@sigill.intra.peff.net> <688240ef-34a1-ee9a-215a-b4f9628e7c72@virtuell-zuhause.de> <9ab3eec1-40c1-8543-e122-ed4ccfd367b4@kdbg.org> <87fu1w53af.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <900a34bb-4d8b-4a22-a0f5-1d2f6df84945@kdbg.org> From: Johannes Sixt Message-ID: <410f0fee-010c-c178-224c-e47ae0b0dda6@kdbg.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:44:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Am 09.06.2018 um 22:43 schrieb Johannes Schindelin: > On Sat, 9 Jun 2018, Johannes Sixt wrote: >> When you want usage data, ask your users for feedback. Look over their >> shoulders. But do not ask the software itself to gather usage data. It will be >> abused. >> >> Do not offer open source software that has a "call-home" method built-in. >> >> If you want to peek into the workplaces of YOUR users, then monkey-patch >> survaillance into YOUR version of Git. But please do not burden the rest of >> us. > > We already offer hooks. You can do anything with those hooks. Even, if you > do not pay close attention, to transfer all your bitcoin to a specific > account. > > I agree with Peff: this is something you as a user need to be aware of, > and need to make sure you configure your Git just like you want. As long > as this is a purely opt-in feature, it is useful and helpful. The problem with this feature is not so much that it enables someone to do bad things, but that it is specifically targeted at recording *how users use Git*. > We do need it in-house, for the many thousands of Git users we try to > support with a relatively small team of Git developers. Then please build your private version and sell it to your thousands of Git users. "in-house" == Microsoft? Small team of Git developers? So, instead of shelling out the bucks for this extra burden, they put the burden on the Community? -- Hannes