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From: Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Braun" <thomas.braun@virtuell-zuhause.de>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	git@jeffhostetler.com, git@vger.kernel.org, gitster@pobox.com,
	"Jeff Hostetler" <jeffhost@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1] telemetry design overview (part 1)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:44:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <410f0fee-010c-c178-224c-e47ae0b0dda6@kdbg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.1806092241180.77@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>

Am 09.06.2018 um 22:43 schrieb Johannes Schindelin:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018, Johannes Sixt wrote:
>> When you want usage data, ask your users for feedback. Look over their
>> shoulders. But do not ask the software itself to gather usage data. It will be
>> abused.
>>
>> Do not offer open source software that has a "call-home" method built-in.
>>
>> If you want to peek into the workplaces of YOUR users, then monkey-patch
>> survaillance into YOUR version of Git. But please do not burden the rest of
>> us.
> 
> We already offer hooks. You can do anything with those hooks. Even, if you
> do not pay close attention, to transfer all your bitcoin to a specific
> account.
> 
> I agree with Peff: this is something you as a user need to be aware of,
> and need to make sure you configure your Git just like you want. As long
> as this is a purely opt-in feature, it is useful and helpful.

The problem with this feature is not so much that it enables someone to 
do bad things, but that it is specifically targeted at recording *how 
users use Git*.

> We do need it in-house, for the many thousands of Git users we try to
> support with a relatively small team of Git developers.

Then please build your private version and sell it to your thousands of 
Git users. "in-house" == Microsoft? Small team of Git developers? So, 
instead of shelling out the bucks for this extra burden, they put the 
burden on the Community?

-- Hannes

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-09 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-07 14:53 [RFC PATCH v1] telemetry design overview (part 1) git
2018-06-07 14:53 ` [RFC PATCH v1] telemetry: design documenation git
2018-06-08 11:06   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-07 21:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1] telemetry design overview (part 1) Johannes Sixt
2018-06-08  9:07   ` Jeff King
2018-06-08 16:00     ` Thomas Braun
2018-06-08 22:01       ` Johannes Sixt
2018-06-08 22:20         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-09  5:03           ` Duy Nguyen
2018-06-09  6:31             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-09  6:56               ` Jeff King
2018-06-09 20:05                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-06-11  5:56                   ` Jeff King
2018-06-09  7:31               ` Duy Nguyen
2018-06-09  6:51             ` Jeff King
2018-06-09  7:04               ` Johannes Sixt
2018-06-09  7:31                 ` Jeff King
2018-06-12 16:04               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-06-09  6:56           ` Johannes Sixt
2018-06-09 20:43             ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-06-09 22:44               ` Johannes Sixt [this message]
2018-06-11  6:08                 ` Jeff King
2018-06-10  0:00             ` brian m. carlson
2018-06-11  6:14               ` Jeff King
2018-06-11  8:30                 ` Jeff King
2018-06-08  9:40   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-06-08 15:46     ` Duy Nguyen

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