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From: usbuser@mailbox.org
To: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Unexpected or wrong ff, no-ff and ff-only behaviour
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 19:00:33 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <275487563.12198.1562691633735@office.mailbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABPp-BHpkcOSkTrNDPGWRgSJgbqkc0PRqMqmesg7tQdS5TfMDA@mail.gmail.com>

> On 09 July 2019 at 18:35 Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Roland,
> 
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:17 AM Roland Jäger <eyenseo@mailbox.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for answering Junio.
> >
> > I get what git does. But I believe that either the documentation ist wrong/ambiguous or --no-ff and --ff-only should be able to be combined and either should be fixed - preferably the later. What I want to say to git is "I never accept a real merge; please make a merge commit, even if it is redundant/empty". And I believe that github and gitlab allow to configure something like that.
> 
> Please don't top-post on this list.
> 
> I agree, the documentation is wrong or misleading and there is a
> wording change we could make to improve it.  But, in particular,
> --no-ff and -ff-only are completely incompatible.  A fast forward
> implies no commits of any kind are created, while --no-ff explicitly
> requires one to be created.  More on that below...
> 
> > My manpage tells me the following:
> >
> > --ff When the merge resolves as a fast-forward, only update the branch pointer, without creating a merge commit. This is the default behavior.
> > => Allow either
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > --no-ff Create a merge commit even when the merge resolves as a fast-forward. This is the default behaviour when merging an annotated (and possibly signed) tag that is not stored in its natural place in refs/tags/ hierarchy.
> > => Always create a commit, even when FF
> 
> Not quite; I'd instead say:
> 
> => Always create a merge commit, even if FF is instead possible.
> 
> In particular, FF means there is no commit creation.  I agree the
> documentation needs correction here, it should be:
> 
> "--no-ff: Create a merge commit even when the merge could instead
> resolve as a fast-forward..."
> 
> Would you like to try your hand at submitting a patch with this change?
> 
> > --ff-only Refuse to merge and exit with a non-zero status unless the current HEAD is already up to date or the merge can be resolved as a fast-forward.
> > => Fail if FF is not possible
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 
> Hope that helps,
> Elijah

I hope this is not-top-posting? I'm new to this and know nothing apparently.

If I were to write a patch then I would very much prefer to implement the behaviour that I expected and want to exist - either by a new flag and fixed wording, or just fixed behaviour. I guess the latter is a no go. Could you point me in the right direction where I would need to start to add such a flag?

Additionally I would also want to change the wording for --ff-only, as it currently reads as if it only performs a check (which would lead to the expected behaviour) but does more than that, as it prevents "real merges" altogether.

Thank you for your time,
Roland

  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-09 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-09  9:42 Unexpected or wrong ff, no-ff and ff-only behaviour usbuser
2019-07-09 14:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-09 16:15   ` Roland Jäger
2019-07-09 16:35     ` Elijah Newren
2019-07-09 17:00       ` usbuser [this message]
2019-07-09 20:33         ` Elijah Newren
2019-07-09 20:51           ` Bryan Turner
2019-07-10  7:49             ` usbuser
2019-07-10 16:34             ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-11  5:13               ` Sergey Organov
2019-07-11 17:03                 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-12 13:50                   ` Sergey Organov
2019-07-12 16:24                     ` Elijah Newren
2019-07-15 12:08                       ` Sergey Organov
2019-07-12 18:33                     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-15 12:47                       ` Sergey Organov
2019-07-15 16:57                         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-07-19 11:00                           ` Sergey Organov
2019-07-11 15:46             ` brian m. carlson
2019-07-10 14:36       ` Sergey Organov

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