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From: Philip Oakley <>
To: Jason Pyeron <>,
	'Junio C Hamano' <>,
	'Addison Klinke' <>
Cc:, 'Addison Klinke' <>
Subject: Re: [FR] supporting submodules with alternate version control systems (new contributor)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 21:54:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01e601d86492$43bb70b0$cb325210$>

On 10/05/2022 18:20, Jason Pyeron wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Junio C Hamano
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 1:01 PM
>> To: Addison Klinke <>
>> Addison Klinke <> writes:
>>> Is something along these lines feasible?
>> Offhand, I only think of one thing that could make it fundamentally
>> infeasible.
>> When you bind an external repository (be it stored in Git or
>> somebody else's system) as a submodule, each commit in the
>> superproject records which exact commit in the submodule is used
>> with the rest of the superproject tree.  And that is done by
>> recording the object name of the commit in the submodule.
>> What it means for the foreign system that wants to "plug into" a
>> superproject in Git as a submodule?  It is required to do two
>> things:
>>   * At the time "git commit" is run at the superproject level, the
>>     foreign system has to be able to say "the version I have to be
>>     used in the context of this superproject commit is X", with X
>>     that somehow can be stored in the superproject's tree object
>>     (which is sized 20-byte for SHA-1 repositories; in SHA-256
>>     repositories, it is a bit wider).
>>   * At the time "git chekcout" is run at the superproject level, the
>>     superproject will learn the above X (i.e. the version of the
>>     submodule that goes with the version of the superproject being
>>     checked out).  The foreign system has to be able to perform a
>>     "checkout" given that X.
>> If a foreign system cannot do the above two, then it fundamentally
>> would be incapable of participating in such a "superproject and
>> submodule" relationship.

The sub-modules already have that problem if the user forgets publish 
their sub-module (see notes in the docs ;-).
> The submodule "type" could create an object (hashed and stored) that contains the needed "translation" details. The object would be hashed using SHA1 or SHA256 depending on the git config. The format of the object's contents would be defined by the submodule's "code".
Another way of looking at the issue is via a variant of Git-LFS with a 
smudge/clean style filter. I.e. the DataVCS would be treated as a 'file'.

The LFS already uses the .gitattributes to define a 'type', while the 
submodules don't yet have that capability. There is just a single 
special type within a tree object of "sub-module"  being a mode 16000 
commit (see

One thought is that one uses a proper sub-module that within it then has 
the single 'large' file git-lfs style that hosts the hash reference for 
the data VCS 
( It would be 
the regular sub-modules .gitattributes file that handles the data 

It may be converting an X-Y problem into an X-Y-Z solution, or just 
extending the problem.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-10 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-10 16:11 Addison Klinke
2022-05-10 17:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-10 17:20   ` Jason Pyeron
2022-05-10 17:26     ` Addison Klinke
2022-05-10 18:26       ` rsbecker
2022-05-10 20:54     ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2022-06-01 12:44       ` Addison Klinke
2022-06-03 23:06         ` Philip Oakley
2022-06-04  2:01           ` rsbecker
2022-06-04 13:27             ` Philip Oakley
2022-06-04 15:57               ` rsbecker
2022-06-05 21:52                 ` Philip Oakley
2022-06-06 14:53                   ` Addison Klinke

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