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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "René Scharfe" <l.s.r@web.de>,
	"Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail.com>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/7] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 20:11:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <220524.86h75ex01s.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2205241423260.352@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet>


On Tue, May 24 2022, Johannes Schindelin wrote:

> Hi Junio,
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2022, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >> Scalar is not (yet?) a Git command.
>> >
>> > "test-tool" isn't "git" either, so I think this argument is a
>> > non-starter.
>> >
>> > As the documentation for "test_must_fail" notes the distinction is
>> > whether something is "system-supplied". I.e. we're not going to test
>> > whether "grep" segfaults, but we should test our own code to see if it
>> > segfaults.
>> >
>> > The scalar code is code we ship and test, so we should use the helper
>> > that doesn't hide a segfault.
>> >
>> > I don't understand why you wouldn't think that's the obvious fix here,
>> > adding "scalar" to that whitelist is a one-line fix, and clearly yields
>> > a more useful end result than a test silently hiding segfaults.
>>
>> FWIW, I don't, either.
>
> Because we are still talking about code that lives as much encapsulated
> inside `contrib/scalar/` as possible.
>
> The `! scalar` call is in `contrib/scalar/t/t9099-scalar.sh`.
>
> To make it work with Git's test suite, you would have to bleed an
> implementation detail of something inside `contrib/` into
> `t/test-lib-functions.sh`.

The "scalar" command is already built by the top-level Makefile, so I
don't think the distinction you're trying to maintain here even exists
in practice.

I.e. if we ran with this strict reasoning then surely "scalar" belongs
on there just as much as "test-tool" does.

Both are built by our main build process, and thus should have
corresponding adjustments in our main test code, just as is already the
case for both "git" and "test-tool".

But even if that wasn't the case I'd still be of the view that we should
add "scalar" to that list.

It's just a matter of potential time sinks in the future. If we
introduce a hidden segfault in the scalar code and don't notice for some
time because we're using that test pattern that's going to suck, and
likely to waste a lot of time. We might even ship a broken command to
users.

Whereas having "scalar" on that list is going to be a relatively easy
matter of grepping and doing some boilerplate changes if and when we
ever "git rm" it entirely, or "promote it" from contrib or whatever.

I also think that just getting rid of that whitelist entirely is an
acceptable solution. Perhaps it's just being overzealous in forbidding
everything except "git", we should still not use it for the likes of
"grep", but we could just leave that to the documentation.

But I suspect Junio would disagree with that, so in lieu of that ...

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-24 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-26  8:41 [PATCH 0/5] scalar: implement the subcommand "diagnose" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26  8:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] Implement `scalar diagnose` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26  9:34   ` René Scharfe
2022-01-26 22:20     ` Taylor Blau
2022-02-06 21:34       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-01-27 19:38   ` Elijah Newren
2022-01-26  8:41 ` [PATCH 2/5] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26  8:41 ` [PATCH 3/5] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26 22:43   ` Taylor Blau
2022-01-27 15:14     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-02-06 21:38       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-01-26  8:41 ` [PATCH 4/5] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-01-26 22:50   ` Taylor Blau
2022-01-27 15:17     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-01-27 18:59   ` Elijah Newren
2022-02-06 21:25     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-01-26  8:41 ` [PATCH 5/5] scalar diagnose: show a spinner while staging content Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-01-27 15:19 ` [PATCH 0/5] scalar: implement the subcommand "diagnose" Derrick Stolee
2022-02-06 21:13   ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-06 22:39 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-02-06 22:39   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] archive: optionally add "virtual" files Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-02-07 19:55     ` René Scharfe
2022-02-07 23:30       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-08 13:12         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-08 17:44           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-08 20:58             ` René Scharfe
2022-02-09 22:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-10 19:10                 ` René Scharfe
2022-02-10 19:23                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-11 19:16                     ` René Scharfe
2022-02-11 21:27                       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-12  9:12                         ` René Scharfe
2022-02-13  6:25                           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-13  9:02                             ` René Scharfe
2022-02-14 17:22                               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-08 12:54       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-06 22:39   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-02-06 22:39   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] Implement `scalar diagnose` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-02-07 19:55     ` René Scharfe
2022-02-08 12:08       ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-02-06 22:39   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-02-06 22:39   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-02-06 22:39   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] scalar: implement the subcommand "diagnose" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] archive: optionally add "virtual" files Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] archive --add-file-with-contents: allow paths containing colons Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-07  2:06       ` Elijah Newren
2022-05-09 21:04         ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] Implement `scalar diagnose` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-04 15:25     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-07  2:23     ` [PATCH v3 0/7] scalar: implement the subcommand "diagnose" Elijah Newren
2022-05-10 19:26     ` [PATCH v4 " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-10 19:26       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] archive: optionally add "virtual" files Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-10 21:48         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-10 22:06           ` rsbecker
2022-05-10 23:21             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-11 16:14               ` René Scharfe
2022-05-11 19:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-12 16:16                   ` René Scharfe
2022-05-12 18:15                     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-12 21:31                       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-14  7:06                         ` René Scharfe
2022-05-12 22:31           ` [PATCH] fixup! " Junio C Hamano
2022-05-10 19:26       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] archive --add-file-with-contents: allow paths containing colons Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-10 21:56         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-10 22:23           ` rsbecker
2022-05-19 18:12             ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-19 18:09           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-19 18:44             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-10 19:27       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-17 14:51         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-18 17:35           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-20  7:30             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-20 15:55               ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-21  9:54                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-22  5:50                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-24 12:25                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-24 18:11                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2022-05-24 19:29                         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-25 10:31                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-10 19:27       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] Implement `scalar diagnose` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-17 14:53         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-10 19:27       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-10 19:27       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-10 19:27       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-17 15:03       ` [PATCH v4 0/7] scalar: implement the subcommand "diagnose" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-17 15:28         ` rsbecker
2022-05-19 18:17           ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-19 18:17       ` [PATCH v5 " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 18:17         ` [PATCH v5 1/7] archive: optionally add "virtual" files Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-20 14:41           ` René Scharfe
2022-05-20 16:21             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-19 18:17         ` [PATCH v5 2/7] archive --add-file-with-contents: allow paths containing colons Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 18:17         ` [PATCH v5 3/7] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 18:18         ` [PATCH v5 4/7] Implement `scalar diagnose` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 18:18         ` [PATCH v5 5/7] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 18:18         ` [PATCH v5 6/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 18:18         ` [PATCH v5 7/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-19 19:23         ` [PATCH v5 0/7] scalar: implement the subcommand "diagnose" Junio C Hamano
2022-05-21 15:08         ` [PATCH v6 " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 1/7] archive: optionally add "virtual" files Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-25 21:11             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-26  9:09               ` René Scharfe
2022-05-26 17:10                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-26 18:57                   ` René Scharfe
2022-05-26 20:16                     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-27 17:02                       ` René Scharfe
2022-05-27 19:01                         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-28  6:57                           ` René Scharfe
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 2/7] archive --add-virtual-file: allow paths containing colons Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-25 20:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-25 21:42               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-25 22:34                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 3/7] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 4/7] Implement `scalar diagnose` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 5/7] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 6/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-21 15:08           ` [PATCH v6 7/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-05-28 23:11           ` [PATCH v6+ 0/7] js/scalar-diagnose rebased Junio C Hamano
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 1/7] archive: optionally add "virtual" files Junio C Hamano
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 2/7] archive --add-virtual-file: allow paths containing colons Junio C Hamano
2022-06-15 18:16               ` Adam Dinwoodie
2022-06-15 20:00                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-06-15 21:36                   ` Adam Dinwoodie
2022-06-18 20:19                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2022-06-18 22:05                       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-06-20  9:41                       ` Adam Dinwoodie
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 3/7] scalar: validate the optional enlistment argument Junio C Hamano
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 4/7] scalar: implement `scalar diagnose` Junio C Hamano
2022-06-10  2:08               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-10 16:44                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-06-10 17:35                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 5/7] scalar diagnose: include disk space information Junio C Hamano
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 6/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather packfile info Junio C Hamano
2022-05-28 23:11             ` [PATCH v6+ 7/7] scalar: teach `diagnose` to gather loose objects information Junio C Hamano
2022-05-30 10:12             ` [PATCH v6+ 0/7] js/scalar-diagnose rebased Johannes Schindelin
2022-05-30 17:37               ` Junio C Hamano

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