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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git-packagers@googlegroups.com, git@vger.kernel.org,
	"brian m . carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Carlo Arenas <carenas@gmail.com>, Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>,
	Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	git-packagers <git-packagers@googlegroups.com>,
	Tim Harper <timcharper@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] core: update our SHA-1 docs, use sha1collisiondetection on OSX too
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 22:14:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <220519.86k0ah2ryh.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqv8v17xrl.fsf@gitster.g>


On Fri, Apr 22 2022, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason  <avarab@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I wasn't able to find any on-list references to it being intentional,
>> but it appears that while we made the sha1collisiondetection variant
>> of SHA-1 the default in early 2017 we've never updated the OSX builds
>> to do likewise.
>>
>> I don't know what various git packages for OSX to, but our vanilla OSX
>> distribution definitely uses Apple Common Crypto, and won't detect the
>> https://shattered.io attack.
>>
>> This series changes that, and while doing so in 2/5 updates our
>> documentation and Makefile interface for the SHA-1 selection. Our
>> INSTALL file was still claiming we used OpenSSL's SHA-1 by default.
>>
>> Then since we'd made sha1collisiondetection the default we hadn't
>> changed the code's default fallback to be that, it was still
>> block-sha1. Now our fallback behavior is "error" instead, which makes
>> it less likely that we'll get some foot-gun like the "OSX not using
>> sha1collisiondetection" again.
>>
>> The 4/5 and 5/5 then remove the PPC_SHA1 implementation. I submitted
>> this before as [1], and the range-diff is to that submission (it
>> wasn't picked up). I think it makes sense as part of this general
>> SHA-1 cleanup.
>
> Thanks for this effort.
>
> I'd like to see somebody with "building Git for distributing to
> macOS" background to comment (I am assuming that the mailing list
> git-packagers@googlegroups.com is the way to reach them).

*Bump* in case anyone there would like to chime on this bit of OSX
portability.

I also sent an off-list E-Mail to Tim Harper today, and addresses which
I gather (from some old git-security@ traffic) are involved in packaging
the Apple Git shipped with OSX itself.

In the meantime do you mind if this topic were queued up? If there are
any lingering portability concerns getting it into CI and exposed to
anyone else building on OSX would be a good thing.

I don't see any reason for why we'd decide that OSX out of all our
supported platforms should be the only one where we're not mitigating
the SHAttered attack (and similar future attacks) by default.

So aside from any finer details of OSX portability the direction here of
building with sha1collisiondetection by default on OSX by default seems
like a safe bet, just as we do on the rest of our (checks out
config.mak.uname) 20+ supported platforms (per `uname -s`).

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-19 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-22  9:53 [PATCH 0/5] core: update our SHA-1 docs, use sha1collisiondetection on OSX too Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-22  9:53 ` [PATCH 1/5] Makefile: create and use sections for "define" flag listing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-22  9:53 ` [PATCH 2/5] Makefile: really use and document sha1collisiondetection by default Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-22  9:53 ` [PATCH 3/5] Makefile: rephrase the discussion of *_SHA1 knobs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-22  9:53 ` [PATCH 4/5] Makefile + hash.h: remove PPC_SHA1 implementation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-22  9:53 ` [PATCH 5/5] Makefile: use $(OBJECTS) instead of $(C_OBJ) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-22 18:56 ` [PATCH 0/5] core: update our SHA-1 docs, use sha1collisiondetection on OSX too Junio C Hamano
2022-05-19 20:14   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2022-05-26 19:02     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-19  1:03 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-19  1:03   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] fsmonitor OSX: compile with DC_SHA1=YesPlease Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-19  1:03   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] Makefile: create and use sections for "define" flag listing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-19  1:03   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] Makefile: really use and document sha1collisiondetection by default Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-19  2:59     ` Eric Sunshine
2022-10-19 16:28       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-10-19 18:54         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-19 19:43           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-10-19 22:15           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-10-19 22:27             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-10-20 21:15         ` brian m. carlson
2022-10-19  1:03   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] Makefile: rephrase the discussion of *_SHA1 knobs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43   ` [PATCH v3 0/9] Makefile & docs: document SHA-{1,256} behavior, fix bug Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 1/9] Makefile: always (re)set DC_SHA1 on fallback Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 2/9] INSTALL: remove discussion of SHA-1 backends Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 3/9] Makefile: correct DC_SHA1 documentation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 4/9] Makefile: create and use sections for "define" flag listing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 5/9] Makefile: rephrase the discussion of *_SHA1 knobs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 6/9] Makefile: document default SHA-256 backend Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 7/9] Makefile: document SHA-1 and SHA-256 default and selection order Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 22:58       ` Eric Sunshine
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 8/9] Makefile: document default SHA-1 backend on OSX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-20 23:01       ` Eric Sunshine
2022-10-20 22:43     ` [PATCH v3 9/9] Makefile: discuss SHAttered in *_SHA{1,256} discussion Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56     ` [PATCH v4 0/9] Makefile & docs: document SHA-{1,256} behavior, fix bug Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 1/9] Makefile: always (re)set DC_SHA1 on fallback Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 2/9] INSTALL: remove discussion of SHA-1 backends Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 3/9] Makefile: correct DC_SHA1 documentation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 4/9] Makefile: create and use sections for "define" flag listing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 5/9] Makefile: rephrase the discussion of *_SHA1 knobs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 6/9] Makefile: document default SHA-256 backend Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 7/9] Makefile: document SHA-1 and SHA-256 default and selection order Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 22:30         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 8/9] Makefile: document default SHA-1 backend on OSX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-26 14:56       ` [PATCH v4 9/9] Makefile: discuss SHAttered in *_SHA{1,256} discussion Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23       ` [PATCH v5 00/10] Makefile, docs & code: document & fix SHA-{1,256} selection behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 01/10] Makefile: always (re)set DC_SHA1 on fallback Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 02/10] INSTALL: remove discussion of SHA-1 backends Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 03/10] Makefile: correct DC_SHA1 documentation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 04/10] Makefile: create and use sections for "define" flag listing Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 05/10] Makefile: rephrase the discussion of *_SHA1 knobs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 06/10] Makefile: document default SHA-256 backend Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 07/10] Makefile: document SHA-1 and SHA-256 default and selection order Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 08/10] Makefile & test-tool: replace "DC_SHA1" variable with a "define" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 09/10] Makefile: document default SHA-1 backend on OSX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-07 21:23         ` [PATCH v5 10/10] Makefile: discuss SHAttered in *_SHA{1,256} discussion Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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