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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: "Đoàn Trần Công Danh" <congdanhqx@gmail.com>
Cc: "Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Tan" <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	sluongng@gmail.com, "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] maintenance: recommended schedule in register/start
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:55:40 -0400
Message-ID: <2198ba04-e73a-cfd5-960c-909a4f3ef0d2@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201002003844.GA28643@danh.dev>

On 10/1/2020 8:38 PM, Đoàn Trần Công Danh wrote:
> On 2020-10-01 16:38:48-0400, Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> diff --git a/Documentation/git-maintenance.txt b/Documentation/git-maintenance.txt
>> index 7628a6d157..52fff86844 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/git-maintenance.txt
>> +++ b/Documentation/git-maintenance.txt
>> @@ -37,6 +37,21 @@ register::
>>  	`maintenance.<task>.schedule`. The tasks that are enabled are safe
>>  	for running in the background without disrupting foreground
>>  	processes.
>> ++
>> +If your repository has no `maintenance.<task>.schedule` configuration
>> +values set, then Git will use a recommended default schedule that performs
>> +background maintenance that will not interrupt foreground commands. The
>> +default schedule is as follows:
> 
> I don't mind about using a default schedule (but someone else might).
> I think some distributions will be paranoia with this change and shiped
> with disable by default in system config.

If a user wants to prevent this schedule, then they can simply change
any one of the `.schedule` or `.enabled` configs in their --global config
and these defaults will not be used.

Of course, perhaps you are missing the fact that "git maintenance run
--schedule=<frequency>" is only run as a cron job if a user chose to
start background maintenance using "git maintenance start" (or "git
maintenance register" after running the 'start' subcommand in another
repo). So this is _not_ starting by default without some amount of
choosing to opt in.

>> ++
>> +* `gc`: disabled.
>> +* `commit-graph`: hourly.
>> +* `prefetch`: hourly.
> 
> However, no `prefetch` in default schedule, please.
> IIUC, this is a network operation, if someone is on the go and paying
> their internet based on their traffic, this will be a disaster.

It _is_ a network operation. You're right that we should make it clear
that network operations are being run in the background if the defaults
are being used.

Of course, this is why "git maintenance stop" exists. Background
maintenance can be halted while not being in a mode where this maintenance
is acceptable.

And further: these defaults are optimized for desktop machines that are
expected to always be on and connected to a non-metered network. Laptops
are not always on, not always connected, and sometimes are metered. Perhaps
a user should decide that they don't want to have background maintenance,
and then they can choose to not opt-in.

If this scenario is common enough, then we could extend the "prefetch"
task to somehow detect (on some platforms) that the network connection is
metered, and then not do any fetches.

>> +* `loose-objects`: daily.
>> +* `incremental-repack`: daily.
> 
> And I would say no incremental-repack, too.
> Users don't want to a large operation of IO on some random time of the day,
> be it when they open their PC in the morning, or when they want to close
> their laptop to go home.

But that's exactly why incremental-repack is an improvement over
a "random" instance of 'git gc --auto' going over an invisible threshold.
The "incremental" nature is intended to only do a reasonable amount of work 
instead of rewriting everything.
 
> ----------(Windows rant ahead)
> I still remember those days that Windows 8 was introduced,
> Back in that days, my computer still uses the old 7200rpm HDD.
> I was super-angry that whenever Windows is started, it starts some IO
> disk-caching, indexing that hung my computer for a good 10 minutes.
> While that same computer can run Windows 7 and other OS fine.
> I don't particularly care how much my computer is faster after that.
> I want my computer usable at that time, instead of wasting a good 10
> minutes on nothing.
> ---------(Windows rant end)
> 
> Either the users know what are they doing, or we don't do anything at
> all. Let's them do it on their free time.
> 
> IOW, Please let users opt in instead of opt out of this features.

But users _do_ opt-in to this feature. They need to start the maintenance
at all to have this run. We just need to give them something that actually
"maintains" their repository without being incredibly expensive or
possibly leading to data loss. That is exactly why "incremental-repack" is
chosen over the "gc" task. If there isn't enough work to be done, then
this task is very cheap to do.

Perhaps all of your concerns are satisfied with this reassurance that
background maintenance is completely opt-in and will not be set up
without a user explicitly enabling it.

Thanks,
-Stolee


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-02  1:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-04 15:41 [PATCH 0/7] Maintenance III: Background maintenance Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 1/7] maintenance: optionally skip --auto process Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 2/7] maintenance: add --schedule option and config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-08 13:07   ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-09-09 12:14     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 3/7] for-each-repo: run subcommands on configured repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 4/7] maintenance: add [un]register subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 5/7] maintenance: add start/stop subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-08  6:29   ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-08 12:43     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-09-08 19:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 6/7] maintenance: recommended schedule in register/start Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-04 15:42 ` [PATCH 7/7] maintenance: add troubleshooting guide to docs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-11 17:49 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Maintenance III: Background maintenance Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] maintenance: optionally skip --auto process Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] maintenance: add --schedule option and config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] for-each-repo: run subcommands on configured repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] maintenance: add [un]register subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-17 14:05     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] maintenance: add start/stop subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 6/7] maintenance: recommended schedule in register/start Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-09-29 19:48     ` Martin Ågren
2020-09-30 20:11       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-10-01 20:38         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-10-02  0:38           ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-10-02  1:55             ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2020-10-05 13:16               ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-10-05 18:17                 ` Derrick Stolee
2020-09-11 17:49   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] maintenance: add troubleshooting guide to docs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Maintenance III: Background maintenance Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] maintenance: optionally skip --auto process Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] maintenance: add --schedule option and config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] for-each-repo: run subcommands on configured repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] maintenance: add [un]register subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] maintenance: add start/stop subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] maintenance: use default schedule if not configured Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-05 19:57       ` Martin Ågren
2020-10-08 13:32         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-10-05 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] maintenance: add troubleshooting guide to docs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:21     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] Maintenance III: Background maintenance Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:21       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] maintenance: optionally skip --auto process Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:21       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] maintenance: add --schedule option and config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:21       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] for-each-repo: run subcommands on configured repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:22       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] maintenance: add [un]register subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:22       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] maintenance: add start/stop subcommands Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-12-09 18:51         ` Josh Steadmon
2020-12-09 19:16           ` Josh Steadmon
2020-12-09 21:59             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-12-10  0:13             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-10  1:52               ` Derrick Stolee
2020-12-10  6:54                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-15 17:22       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] maintenance: create maintenance.strategy config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:22       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] maintenance: use 'incremental' strategy by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-10-15 17:22       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] maintenance: add troubleshooting guide to docs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget

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