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From: Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>
To: "Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
	"Stefan Beller" <sbeller@google.com>
Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Hostetler <jeffhost@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: tsan: t3008: hashmap_add touches size from multiple threads
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:46:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <217f3160-f4cb-581a-b7f3-8b654c74d080@jeffhostetler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN0heSr-OcLJU54acTdXWx8NAo=nPD=9+DfexWZ0F7NRgRB9Dg@mail.gmail.com>



On 8/15/2017 3:21 PM, Martin Ågren wrote:
> On 15 August 2017 at 20:48, Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>          /* total number of entries (0 means the hashmap is empty) */
>>>>> -       unsigned int size;
>>>>> +       /* -1 means size is unknown for threading reasons */
>>>>> +       int size;
>>>>
>>>> This double-encodes the state of disallow_rehash (i.e. if we had
>>>> signed size, then the invariant disallow_rehash === (size < 0)
>>>> is true, such that we could omit either the flag and just check for
>>>> size < 0 or we do not need the negative size as any user would
>>>> need to check disallow_rehash first. Not sure which API is harder
>>>> to misuse. I'd think just having the size and getting rid of
>>>> disallow_rehash might be hard to to reused.
>>>
>>> (Do you mean "might be hard to be misused"?)
>>
>> yes, I do.
>>
>>> One good thing about turning off the size-tracking with threading is
>>> that someone who later wants to know the size in a threaded application
>>> will not introduce any subtle bugs by misusing size, but will be forced
>>> to provide and use some sort of InterlockedIncrement().
>>
>> agreed.
>>
>>> When/if that
>>> change happens, it would be nice if no-one relied on the value of size
>>> to say anything about threading. So it might make sense to have an
>>> implementation-independent way of accessing disallow_rehash a.k.a.
>>> (size < 0).
>>
>> Yes, and my point was whether we want to keep disallow_rehash around,
>> as when a patch as this is applied, we'd have it encoded twice,
>> both size < 0 as well as disallow_rehash set indicate the rehashing
>> disabled.
>>
>> If we were to reduce it to one, we would not have "invalid" state possible
>> such as size < 0 and disallow_rehash = 0.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> In the future we may have more options that make size impossible to
>> compute efficiently, such that in that case we'd want to know which
>> condition lead to it. In that case we'd want to have the flags around.
> 
> Good point.

I feel like we're trying to push hashmaps a little beyond
their capability.  I mean the core hashmap code is NOT thread
safe.  The caller is responsible for carefully controlling how
the hashmap is used and whatever locking strategy it wants --
whether it is a single lock on the entire hashmap -- or a set
of partition-specific locks like I created here.  Whatever the
strategy, it is outside of hashmap.[ch].

Perhaps it would be best to just define things as:
* let (size < 0) mean we choose not to compute/track it (without
   saying why).
* keep "disallow_rehash = 1" to mean we do not want automatic
   resizing (without saying why).

Thread-aware callers will set both.

Thread-aware callers (when finished with threaded operations)
can themselves choose whether to compute the correct size and
re-allow rehashing.  And we can add a method to hashmap.c to
re-calculate the size if we want.


In my lazy_init_name_hash() I set "disallow", do the threaded
code, and then unset "disallow" -- mainly to keep the usage
consistent with the non-threaded case.  I could just as easily
set "disallow" and leave it that way -- the question is whether
we care if the hashmap automatically resizes later.  (I don't.)


>>> For example a function hashmap_disallow_rehash(), except that's
>>> obviously taken. :-) Maybe the existing function would then be
>>> hashmap_set_disallow_rehash(). Oh well..
>>
>> Not sure I understand this one.
> 
> Sorry. What I meant was, if we drop the disallow_rehash-field, someone
> might be tempted to use size < 0 (or size == -1) to answer the question
> "is rehashing disallowed?". (Or "am I threaded?" which already is a
> question which the hashmap as it is today doesn't know about.)
> 
> So instead of looking at "disallow_rehash" one should perhaps be calling
> "hashmap_is_disallow_rehash()" or "hashmap_get_disallow_rehash()", which
> would be implemented as "return disallow_rehash", or possibly "return
> size == -1".
> 
> Except such names are, to the best of my understanding, not the Git-way,
> so it should be, e.g., "hashmap_disallow_rehash()".
> 
> Except ... that name is taken.... So to free that name up, the existing
> function should perhaps be renamed "hashmap_set_disallow_rehash()",
> again assuming I've picked up the right conventions in my recent
> browsing of the Git-code.
> 
> The final "Oh well" was a short form of "it began with an observation
> which currently has no practical effect, and is slowly turning into a
> chain of ideas on how to rebuild the interface".
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-15 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-15 12:53 [PATCH/RFC 0/5] Some ThreadSanitizer-results Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 12:53 ` [PATCH 1/5] convert: initialize attr_action in convert_attrs Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 14:17   ` Torsten Bögershausen
2017-08-15 14:29     ` Torsten Bögershausen
2017-08-15 14:40     ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 12:53 ` [PATCH 2/5] pack-objects: take lock before accessing `remaining` Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 19:50   ` Johannes Sixt
2017-08-15 12:53 ` [PATCH 3/5] Makefile: define GIT_THREAD_SANITIZER Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 12:53 ` [PATCH 4/5] strbuf_reset: don't write to slopbuf with ThreadSanitizer Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 18:43   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-15 19:06     ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 19:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-15 12:53 ` [PATCH 5/5] ThreadSanitizer: add suppressions Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 12:53 ` tsan: t3008: hashmap_add touches size from multiple threads Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 17:59   ` Jeff Hostetler
2017-08-15 18:17     ` Stefan Beller
2017-08-15 18:40       ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 18:48         ` Stefan Beller
2017-08-15 19:21           ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 20:46             ` Jeff Hostetler [this message]
2017-08-30 18:59   ` [PATCH] hashmap: address ThreadSanitizer concerns Jeff Hostetler
2017-08-30 18:59     ` [PATCH] hashmap: add API to disable item counting when threaded Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-01 23:31       ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-01 23:50         ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-09-05 16:39           ` Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-05 17:13             ` Martin Ågren
2017-09-02  8:17         ` Jeff King
2017-09-04 15:59           ` Johannes Schindelin
2017-09-05 16:54           ` Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-06  3:43           ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-05 16:33         ` Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-02  8:05       ` Jeff King
2017-09-05 17:07         ` Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-02  8:39       ` Simon Ruderich
2017-09-06  1:24       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-09-06 15:33         ` Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-06 15:43     ` [PATCH v2] hashmap: address ThreadSanitizer concerns Jeff Hostetler
2017-09-06 15:43       ` [PATCH v2] hashmap: add API to disable item counting when threaded Jeff Hostetler
2017-08-15 12:53 ` tsan: t5400: set_try_to_free_routine Martin Ågren
2017-08-15 17:35   ` Stefan Beller
2017-08-15 18:44     ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-17 10:57   ` Jeff King
2017-08-20 10:06 ` [PATCH/RFC 0/5] Some ThreadSanitizer-results Jeff King
2017-08-20 10:45   ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-21 17:43 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Martin Ågren
2017-08-21 17:43   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] convert: always initialize attr_action in convert_attrs Martin Ågren
2017-08-21 17:43   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] pack-objects: take lock before accessing `remaining` Martin Ågren
2017-08-21 17:43   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] strbuf_setlen: don't write to strbuf_slopbuf Martin Ågren
2017-08-23 17:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-23 17:43       ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-23 18:30         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-23 20:37     ` Brandon Casey
2017-08-23 21:04       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-23 21:20         ` Brandon Casey
2017-08-23 21:54           ` Brandon Casey
2017-08-23 22:11             ` Brandon Casey
2017-08-24 16:52             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-24 18:29               ` Brandon Casey
2017-08-24 19:16                 ` Martin Ågren
2017-08-23 22:24           ` Junio C Hamano
2017-08-23 22:39             ` Brandon Casey
2017-08-21 17:43   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] ThreadSanitizer: add suppressions Martin Ågren
2017-08-25 17:04     ` Jeff King
2017-08-28 20:56   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Some ThreadSanitizer-results Jeff Hostetler

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