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[24.132.120.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ht7sm7884675ejc.27.2021.12.06.20.23.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 06 Dec 2021 20:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from avar by gmgdl with local (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1muS0K-0010bC-14; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 05:23:00 +0100 From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: Elijah Newren Cc: Git Mailing List , Derrick Stolee , Konstantin Ryabitsev Subject: Re: Large delays in mailing list delivery? Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 05:20:18 +0100 References: <211203.86sfv9qwdm.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid; Emacs 27.1; mu4e 1.6.9 In-reply-to: <211203.86sfv9qwdm.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Message-ID: <211207.86v901oxgc.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Dec 03 2021, =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason wrote: > On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 11:52:58 -0800 Elijah Newren wrote: > >> Are there some rather large delays in mailing list delivery these >> days? Anyone know who to contact to investigate? [*] > > I've got E-Mail delays so large that I manually crafted In-Reply-To > etc. to reply to this :) > > I'm 99% sure it's some weird thing at GMail, and nothing to do with > kernel.org. > > When I've experienced delays (sometimes of half a day or more) both > https://public-inbox.org/git/ and https://lore.kernel.org/git/ have been > updated. > > Konstantin Ryabitsev notes (and would be in a position to know) that > GMail throttles delivery (with an smtp 451 error?). > > But the other day when Junio sent out a What's Cooking and I saw it on > lore, but it wasn't in my mailbox for some hours. That time I looked a > bi tinto it. > > I went into the gmail UI and searched for rfc822msgid:$id, nothing. It > was neither there on IMAP or in the UI. > > However when the E-Mail finally arrived I looked at the raw headers, and > all the "Received" headers (including GMail's own internal routing) were > within a couple of minutes of Junio having sent the mail (and in the > meantime it went through vger etc.). > > So, I'm hazy on E-Mail infrastructure details these days (but worked no > it in a past life), but that really seems to me like GMail in fact got > the E-Mail, but it was just sitting in some local queue of theirs before > it got served to me. > > Right now I can't see the mail I'm replying to in my inbox[1], but I can > report the full headers once it arrives if that helps. > > 1. A search for: > rfc822msgid:CABPp-BF_xsOpQ6GSaWs9u9JcnPQT_OXP-gCsAuxPtMj-X1tgOg@mail.g= mail.com For what it's worth after it finally arrived the relevant part of the headers is, which shows the issue Konstantin Ryabitsev described. I.e. it was sitting for ~3 days between vger and GMail: =20=20=20=20 [...] Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g10si21274138pfj.188.2021.12.06.= 17.50.50; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 17:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of git-owner@vger.kernel.org des= ignates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=3D23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=3Dpass header.i=3D@gmail.com header.s=3D20210112 header.b= =3DV2iU5Wyg; spf=3Dpass (google.com: domain of git-owner@vger.kernel.org desi= gnates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=3Dgit-owner@vger.ker= nel.org; dmarc=3Dpass (p=3DNONE sp=3DQUARANTINE dis=3DNONE) header.from= =3Dgmail.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1343798AbhLCT4g (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:56:36 -0500 [...] I.e. not at all what I alluded to above, and at this point I'm not sure I ever really saw a mail like that (maybe I just misread the headers at the time + confirmation bias, and I didn't go re-digging again now...).