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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Dan Jacques <dnj@google.com>,
	Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 18/23] Makefiles: add and use wildcard "mkdir -p" template
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:52:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <211117.86k0h76lcy.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211117093947.ifkrvddmiiu3hg2v@glandium.org>


On Wed, Nov 17 2021, Mike Hommey wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:26:27AM +0100, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 17 2021, Mike Hommey wrote:
>> 
>> > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 01:00:18PM +0100, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>> >> Add a template to do the "mkdir -p" of $(@D) (the parent dir of $@)
>> >> for us, and use it for the "make lint-docs" targets I added in
>> >> 8650c6298c1 (doc lint: make "lint-docs" non-.PHONY, 2021-10-15).
>> >> 
>> >> As seen in 4c64fb5aad9 (Documentation/Makefile: fix lint-docs mkdir
>> >> dependency, 2021-10-26) maintaining these manual lists of parent
>> >> directory dependencies is fragile, in addition to being obviously
>> >> verbose.
>> >> 
>> >> I used this pattern at the time because I couldn't find another method
>> >> than "order-only" prerequisites to avoid doing a "mkdir -p $(@D)" for
>> >> every file being created, which as noted in [1] would be significantly
>> >> slower.
>> >> 
>> >> But as it turns out we can use this neat trick of only doing a "mkdir
>> >> -p" if the $(wildcard) macro tells us the path doesn't exist. A re-run
>> >> of a performance test similar to thatnoted downthread of [1] in [2]
>> >> shows that this is faster, in addition to being less verbose and more
>> >> reliable (this uses my "git-hyperfine" thin wrapper for "hyperfine"[3]):
>> >> 
>> >>     $ git hyperfine -L rev HEAD~0,HEAD~1 -b 'make -C Documentation lint-docs' -p 'rm -rf Documentation/.build' 'make -C Documentation lint-docs'
>> >>     Benchmark 1: make -C Documentation lint-docs' in 'HEAD~0
>> >>       Time (mean ± σ):      2.129 s ±  0.011 s    [User: 1.840 s, System: 0.321 s]
>> >>       Range (min … max):    2.121 s …  2.158 s    10 runs
>> >> 
>> >>     Benchmark 2: make -C Documentation lint-docs' in 'HEAD~1
>> >>       Time (mean ± σ):      2.659 s ±  0.002 s    [User: 2.306 s, System: 0.397 s]
>> >>       Range (min … max):    2.657 s …  2.662 s    10 runs
>> >> 
>> >>     Summary
>> >>       'make -C Documentation lint-docs' in 'HEAD~0' ran
>> >>         1.25 ± 0.01 times faster than 'make -C Documentation lint-docs' in 'HEAD~1'
>> >> 
>> >> So let's use that pattern both for the "lint-docs" target, and a few
>> >> miscellaneous other targets.
>> >> 
>> >> This method of creating parent directories is explicitly racy in that
>> >> we don't know if we're going to say always create a "foo" followed by
>> >> a "foo/bar" under parallelism, or skip the "foo" because we created
>> >> "foo/bar" first. In this case it doesn't matter for anything except
>> >> that we aren't guaranteed to get the same number of rules firing when
>> >> running make in parallel.
>> >
>> > Something else that is racy is that $(wildcard) might be saying the
>> > directory doesn't exist while there's another make subprocess that has
>> > already started spawning `mkdir -p` for that directory.
>> > That doesn't make a huge difference, but you can probably still end up
>> > with multiple `mkdir -p` runs for the same directory.
>> >
>> > I think something like the following could work while avoiding those
>> > races:
>> >
>> > define create_parent_dir_RULE
>> > $(1): | $(dir $(1)).
>> > ALL_DIRS += $(dir $(1))
>> > endef
>> >
>> > define create_parent_dir_TARGET
>> > $(1)/.: $(dir $(1)).
>> > 	echo mkdir $$(@D)
>
> erf, s/echo //
>
>> > endef
>> >
>> > $(eval $(call create_parent_dir_RULE, first/path/file))
>> > $(eval $(call create_parent_dir_RULE, second/path/file))
>> > # ...
>> >
>> > $(foreach dir,$(sort $(ALL_DIRS)),$(eval $(call create_parent_dir_TARGET,$(dir:%/=%))))
>> 
>> I think the "race" just isn't a problem, and makes managing this much
>> simpler.
>> 
>> I.e. we already rely on "mkdir -p" not failing on an existing directory,
>> so the case where we redundantly try to create a directory that just got
>> created by a concurrent process is OK, and as the quoted benchmark shows
>> is much faster than a similar (but not quite the same as) a
>> dependency-based implementaiton.
>> 
>> I haven't implemented your solution, but it seems to be inherently more
>> complex.
>> 
>> I.e. with the one I've got you just stick the "mkdir if needed"
>> one-liner in each rule, with yours you'll need to accumulate things in
>> ALL_DIRS, and have some foreach somewhere or dependency relationship to
>> create those beforehand if they're nested, no?
>
> For each rule, it would also be a oneliner to add above the rule. The rest
> would be a prelude and a an epilogue to stick somewhere in the Makefile.

How would that epilogue know to handle cases where we're running "clean"
or whatever thing doesn't want to create the full set of directories
we've accumulated in ALL_DIRS while parsing the Makefile?

Won't that require extensive use of the same sort of MAKECMDGOALS
trickery I added for one target in 8cc804d0abf (doc build: speed up
"make lint-docs", 2021-10-15)?

I can imagine how we /could/ get that to work, but so far I just dont's
see the point. The wildcard trick I'm proposing here seems to be the
best of both worlds, it's both faster than anything else I've come up
with or seen, and requires zero management outside the rule itself.

Also, only the lint-docs rule I'm modifying here went to any trouble to
avoid redundant "mkdir" calls at all, the rest are all doing a "mkdir
parent-dir" every single time. So as far as any edge cases with these
rules tripping over one another are concerned I think we're already
handling that.

Well, I suppose *theoretically* not, because I'm assuming that we only
ever run the equivalent of "make all" or "make clean && make all" and
not "make -jN clean all".

But while it's possible to get a Makefile working that can clean and
build things in parallel in practice nobody does that, and ours
doesn't. If you try that it'll fail right away on some bad dependency
(which we both just generated and rm -rf'd).

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-17 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-06 21:03 [PATCH 00/16] Makefiles: dependency correctness & speedup Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 01/16] Makefile: don't set up "perl/build" rules under NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 02/16] Makefile: clean perl/build/ even with NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-09 23:10   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 03/16] Makefile: remove "mv $@ $@+" dance redundant to .DELETE_ON_ERROR Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 04/16] Makefile: move Perl-only variable assignments under !NO_PERL Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-09 23:22   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 05/16] Makefile: correct "GIT-PERL-{DEFINES,HEADER}" dependency graph Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-07  1:51   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 06/16] Makefile: don't have Perl over-depend on GIT-BUILD-OPTIONS Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 07/16] Makefile: create a GIT-PYTHON-DEFINES, like "PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-07  1:55   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 08/16] Makefile: stop needing @@GIT_VERSION@@ in *.perl scripts Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 09/16] Makefiles: add "shared.mak", move ".DELETE_ON_ERROR" to it Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 10/16] Makefile: move $(comma), $(empty) and $(space) to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 11/16] Makefile: re-add and use the "shellquote" macros Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 12/16] Makefile: add a "TRACK_template" for GIT-*{FLAGS,DEFINES,...} Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 13/16] Makefile: add "$(QUIET)" boilerplate to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 14/16] Makefile: use $(wspfx) for $(QUIET...) in shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 15/16] Makefiles: add and use wildcard "mkdir -p" template Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-06 21:03 ` [PATCH 16/16] Makefile: don't invoke msgfmt with --statistics Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] Makefiles: dependency correctness & speedup Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 01/18] Makefile: don't invoke msgfmt with --statistics Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 02/18] Makefile: don't set up "perl/build" rules under NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 03/18] Makefile: use "=" not ":=" for po/* and perl/* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 04/18] Makefile: clean perl/build/ even with NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 05/18] Makefile: remove "mv $@ $@+" dance redundant to .DELETE_ON_ERROR Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 06/18] Makefile: guard Perl-only variable assignments Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 07/18] Makefile: change "ifndef NO_PERL" to "ifdef NO_PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 08/18] Makefile: adjust Perl-related comments & whitespace Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 09/18] Makefile: correct "GIT-PERL-{DEFINES,HEADER}" dependency graph Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 10/18] Makefile: create a GIT-PYTHON-DEFINES, like "PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 11/18] Makefile: stop needing @@GIT_VERSION@@ in *.perl scripts Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 12/18] Makefiles: add "shared.mak", move ".DELETE_ON_ERROR" to it Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 13/18] Makefile: move $(comma), $(empty) and $(space) to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 14/18] Makefile: re-add and use the "shellquote" macros Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:48   ` [PATCH v2 15/18] Makefile: add a "TRACK_template" for GIT-*{FLAGS,DEFINES,...} Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:49   ` [PATCH v2 16/18] Makefile: add "$(QUIET)" boilerplate to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:49   ` [PATCH v2 17/18] Makefile: use $(wspfx) for $(QUIET...) in shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-12 21:49   ` [PATCH v2 18/18] Makefiles: add and use wildcard "mkdir -p" template Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00   ` [PATCH v3 00/23] Makefile: dependency fixes, make noop runtime ~1.4x faster Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 01/23] Makefile: don't invoke msgfmt with --statistics Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 02/23] Makefile: don't set up "perl/build" rules under NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 03/23] Makefile: use "=" not ":=" for po/* and perl/* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  1:57       ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 04/23] Makefile: clean perl/build/ even with NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 05/23] Makefile: remove "mv $@ $@+" dance redundant to .DELETE_ON_ERROR Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  2:01       ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-17  9:20         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 06/23] Makefile: guard Perl-only variable assignments Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 07/23] Makefile: change "ifndef NO_PERL" to "ifdef NO_PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 08/23] Makefile: adjust Perl-related comments & whitespace Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 09/23] Makefile: correct "GIT-PERL-{DEFINES,HEADER}" dependency graph Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 10/23] Makefile: create a GIT-PYTHON-DEFINES, like "PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 11/23] Makefile: stop needing @@GIT_VERSION@@ in *.perl scripts Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 12/23] Makefiles: add "shared.mak", move ".DELETE_ON_ERROR" to it Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 13/23] Makefile: move $(comma), $(empty) and $(space) to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 14/23] Makefile: re-add and use the "shellquote" macros Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 15/23] Makefile: add a "TRACK_template" for GIT-*{FLAGS,DEFINES,...} Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  2:19       ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-17  9:24         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 16/23] Makefile: add "$(QUIET)" boilerplate to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 17/23] Makefile: use $(wspfx) for $(QUIET...) in shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 18/23] Makefiles: add and use wildcard "mkdir -p" template Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  2:51       ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-17  9:26         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  9:39           ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-17 11:52             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-11-18  0:00               ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-18 13:05                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 19/23] Makefile: correct the dependency graph of hook-list.h Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  2:52       ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 20/23] Makefile: use $(file) I/O instead of "FORCE" when possible Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 21/23] Makefile: disable GNU make built-in wildcard rules Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17  3:00       ` Mike Hommey
2021-11-17  9:47         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 22/23] Makefile: define $(LIB_H) in terms of $(FIND_SOURCE_FILES) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 12:00     ` [PATCH v3 23/23] Makefile: move ".SUFFIXES" rule to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:19     ` [PATCH v4 00/23] Makefile: dependency fixes, make noop runtime ~1.4x faster Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 01/23] Makefile: don't invoke msgfmt with --statistics Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 02/23] Makefile: don't set up "perl/build" rules under NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 03/23] Makefile: use "=" not ":=" for po/* and perl/* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 04/23] Makefile: clean perl/build/ even with NO_PERL=Y Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 05/23] Makefile: remove "mv $@ $@+" dance redundant to .DELETE_ON_ERROR Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 06/23] Makefile: guard Perl-only variable assignments Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 07/23] Makefile: change "ifndef NO_PERL" to "ifdef NO_PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 08/23] Makefile: adjust Perl-related comments & whitespace Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 09/23] Makefile: correct "GIT-PERL-{DEFINES,HEADER}" dependency graph Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 10/23] Makefile: create a GIT-PYTHON-DEFINES, like "PERL" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 11/23] Makefile: stop needing @@GIT_VERSION@@ in *.perl scripts Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 12/23] Makefiles: add "shared.mak", move ".DELETE_ON_ERROR" to it Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 13/23] Makefile: move $(comma), $(empty) and $(space) to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 14/23] Makefile: re-add and use the "shellquote" macros Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13 23:09         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-14  0:31           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 15/23] Makefile: add a "TRACK_template" for GIT-*{FLAGS,DEFINES,...} Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-19  6:45         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19  6:56           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-19  7:30             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 16/23] Makefile: add "$(QUIET)" boilerplate to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 17/23] Makefile: use $(wspfx) for $(QUIET...) in shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 18/23] Makefiles: add and use wildcard "mkdir -p" template Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 19/23] Makefile: correct the dependency graph of hook-list.h Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 20/23] Makefile: use $(file) I/O instead of "FORCE" when possible Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 21/23] Makefile: disable GNU make built-in wildcard rules Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 22/23] Makefile: define $(LIB_H) in terms of $(FIND_SOURCE_FILES) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-17 10:20       ` [PATCH v4 23/23] Makefile: move ".SUFFIXES" rule to shared.mak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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