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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Summit topic] Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants?
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 03:15:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <211109.861r3qdpt8.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YYlqpuzv+bmZaFzz@nand.local>


On Mon, Nov 08 2021, Taylor Blau wrote:

> I was discussing this with Elijah today in IRC. I thought that I sent
> the following message to the list, but somehow dropped it from the CC
> list, and only sent it to Elijah and Johannes.
>
> Here it is in its entirety, this time copying the list.
>
> n Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 01:56:06PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
>>  5.  The challenge is not necessarily the technical challenges, but the UX for
>>      server tools that live “above” the git executable.
>>
>>      1. What kind of output is needed? Machine-readable error messages?
>>
>>      2. What Git objects must be created: a tree? A commit?
>>
>>      3. How to handle, report, and store conflicts? Index is not typically
>>         available on the server.
>
> I looked a little bit more into what GitHub would need in order to make
> the switch. For background, we currently perform merges and rebases
> using libgit2 as the backend, for the obvious reason which is that in a
> pre-ORT world we could not write an intermediate result without having
> an index around.
>
> (As a fun aside, we used to expand our bare copy of a repository into a
> temporary working directory, perform the merge there, and then delete
> the directory. We definitely don't do that anymore ;)).
>
> It looks like our current libgit2 usage more-or-less returns an
> (object_id, list<file>) tuple, where:
>
>   - a non-NULL object_id is the result of a successful (i.e.,
>     conflict-free) merge; specifically the oid of the resulting root
>     tree
>
>   - a NULL object_id and a non-empty list of files indicates that the
>     merge could not be completed without manual conflict resolution, and
>     the list of files indicates where the conflicts were
>
> When we try to process a conflicted merge, we display the list of files
> where conflicts were present in the web UI. We do have a UI to resolve
> conflicts, but we populate the contents of that UI by telling libgit2 to
> perform the same merge on *just that file*, and writing out the file
> with its conflict markers as the result (and sending that result out to
> a web editor).
>
> So I think an ORT-powered server-side merge would have to be able to:
>
>   - write out the contents of a merge (with a tree, not a commit), and
>     indicate whether or not that merge was successful with an exit code
>
>   - write out the list of files that had conflicts upon failure
>
> Given my limited knowledge of the ORT implementation, it seems like
> writing out the conflicts themselves would be pretty easy. But GitHub
> probably wouldn't use it, or at least not immediately, since we rely
> heavily on being able to recreate the conflicts file-by-file as they are
> needed.
>
> Anyway, I happened to be looking into all of this during the summit, but
> never wrote any of it down. So I figured that this might be helpful in
> case folks are interested in pursuing this further. If so, let me know
> if there are any other questions about what GitHub might want on the
> backend, and I'll try to answer as best I can.

That's very informative, thanks.

Not that "ort" won't me much better at this, but FWIW git-merge-tree
sort of gets most of the way-ish to what you're describing already in
terms of a command interface.

I.e. I'm not the first or last to have (not for anything serious)
implement a dry-run bare-repo merge with something like:

    git merge-tree origin/master git-for-windows/main origin/seen >diff
    # Better regex needed, but basically this
    grep "^\+<<<<<<< \.our$" diff && conflict=t

So with some parsing of that command output you can get a diff with one
side or the other applied.

From there it's a matter of applying the patch, and from there you'd get
blobs/trees. which is painful from just having a diff & no index, so
it's a common use-case of libgit2 for just such basic usage.

But to the extent that we were talking about plumbing interfaces
wouldn't basically a git-merge-tree on steroids (or extension thereof)
do, i.e.:

 * Ask it to merge X heads, returns whether it worked or not
 * ... and can return a diff with conflict markers like this
 * ... for just some <pathspec>
 * ... maybe with the conflict already "resolved" one way or the other?
 * ... optionally, after some markers write one/both sides, spew out the
   relevant tree/blob OIDs
 * ... which again, could be limited by the <pathspec> above.

I'm thinking of something that basically works like git for-each-ref --format="". So:

    git merge-tree --format="..." <heads> -- <pathspec>

Where that <format> can be custom \0-delimited (or whatever) sections of
payload that could have whatever combination of the above you'd need. I
think git-for-each-ref is probably the best example we've got of a
plumbing interface in this category, i.e. being able to extract
arbitrary payloads via format specifiers & "path" (well, ref)
limitation.

Elijah probably has much better ideas already, I'm just spitballing. 

But if something like that worked it would be mostly a matter of
stealing code from for-each-ref and the like, and then the <handwaiving>
mapping that to ORT callbacks somehow.

And then it could even learn a --batch mode, which with those formats
could allow calling it without paying the price for command
re-invocation, something like the update-ref/proposed cat-file interface
discussed in another thread at [1].

1. https://lore.kernel.org/git/211106.86k0hmgc8q.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-09  2:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-21 11:55 Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20 Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:55 ` [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 12:30   ` Son Luong Ngoc
2021-10-26 20:14   ` scripting speedups [was: [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas] Eric Wong
2021-10-30 19:58     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-03  9:24       ` test suite speedups via some not-so-crazy ideas (was: scripting speedups[...]) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-03 22:12         ` test suite speedups via some not-so-crazy ideas Junio C Hamano
2021-11-02 13:52     ` scripting speedups [was: [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas] Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:55 ` [Summit topic] SHA-256 Updates Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants? Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  3:06   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-10-22 10:01     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-23 20:52       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-08 18:21   ` Taylor Blau
2021-11-09  2:15     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-11-30 10:06       ` Christian Couder
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Submodules and how to make them worth using Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Sparse checkout behavior and plans Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] The state of getting a reftable backend working in git.git Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-25 19:00   ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2021-10-25 22:09     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-26  8:12       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2021-10-28 14:17         ` Philip Oakley
2021-10-26 15:51       ` Philip Oakley
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Documentation (translations, FAQ updates, new user-focused, general improvements, etc.) Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22 14:20   ` Jean-Noël Avila
2021-10-22 14:31     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27  7:02       ` Jean-Noël Avila
2021-10-27  8:50       ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc) Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 12:55   ` Son Luong Ngoc
2021-10-22 10:02     ` vale check, was " Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22 10:03       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:57 ` [Summit topic] Improving Git UX Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 16:45   ` changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 23:03     ` changing the experimental 'git switch' Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22  3:33     ` changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX) Bagas Sanjaya
2021-10-22 14:04     ` martin
2021-10-22 14:24       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 15:30         ` martin
2021-10-23  8:27           ` changing the experimental 'git switch' Sergey Organov
2021-10-22 21:54         ` Sergey Organov
2021-10-24  6:54       ` changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX) Martin
2021-10-24 20:27         ` changing the experimental 'git switch' Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 12:48           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 17:06             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 16:44     ` Sergey Organov
2021-10-25 22:23       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27 18:54         ` Sergey Organov
2021-10-21 11:57 ` [Summit topic] Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc) Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 13:41   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-10-22 22:06     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22  8:02 ` Missing notes, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20 Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  8:22   ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  8:30     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  9:07       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  9:44 ` Let's have public Git chalk talks, " Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-25 12:58   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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