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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>,
	Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com>,
	Albert Cui <albertqcui@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	"brian m . carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	"Robin H . Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] protocol v2: specify static seeding of clone/fetch via "bundle-uri"
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:29:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <211027.86r1c6yh52.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7fab28bf-54e7-d0e9-110a-53fad6244cc9@gmail.com>


On Tue, Oct 26 2021, Derrick Stolee wrote:

> On 10/25/2021 5:25 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>> Add a server-side implementation of a new "bundle-uri" command to
>> protocol v2. As discussed in the updated "protocol-v2.txt" this will
>> allow conforming clients to optionally seed their initial clones or
>> incremental fetches from URLs containing "*.bundle" files created with
>> "git bundle create".
>
> ...
>
>> +DISCUSSION of bundle-uri
>> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> +
>> +The intent of the feature is optimize for server resource consumption
>> +in the common case by changing the common case of fetching a very
>> +large PACK during linkgit:git-clone[1] into a smaller incremental
>> +fetch.
>> +
>> +It also allows servers to achieve better caching in combination with
>> +an `uploadpack.packObjectsHook` (see linkgit:git-config[1]).
>> +
>> +By having new clones or fetches be a more predictable and common
>> +negotiation against the tips of recently produces *.bundle file(s).
>> +Servers might even pre-generate the results of such negotiations for
>> +the `uploadpack.packObjectsHook` as new pushes come in.
>> +
>> +I.e. the server would anticipate that fresh clones will download a
>> +known bundle, followed by catching up to the current state of the
>> +repository using ref tips found in that bundle (or bundles).
>> +
>> +PROTOCOL for bundle-uri
>> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> +
>> +A `bundle-uri` request takes no arguments, and as noted above does not
>> +currently advertise a capability value. Both may be added in the
>> +future.
>
> One thing I realized was missing from this proposal is any interaction
> with partial clone. It would be disappointing if we could not advertise
> bundles of commit-and-tree packfiles for blobless partial clones.
>
> There is currently no way for the client to signal the filter type
> during this command. Not having any way to extend to include that
> seems like an oversight we should remedy before committing to a
> protocol that can't be extended.
>
> (This also seems like a good enough reason to group the URIs into a
> struct-like storage, because the filter type could be stored next to
> the URI.)

I'll update the docs to note that. I'd definitely like to leave out any
implementation of filter/shallow for an initial iteration of this for
simplicity, but the protocol keyword/behavior is open-ended enough to
permit any extension.

I.e. the server can start advertising "bundle-uri=shallow", and future
clients can request arbitrary key-value pairs in addition to just
"bundle-uri" now.

Having said that I think that *probably* this is something that'll never
be implemented, but maybe I'll eat my words there.

The reason is that once we're in the "fetch" dialog with the server, as
we are with "filter" and "shallow" I'd think that we'd be better of just
sending a packfile-uri, since that's tailor-made for that use-case.

But I suppose we could also advertise e.g.:

    <bundle-uri> tip=<oid> depth=1

Which a client that noticed that it noticed say the --single-branch at
<oid> but with depth=1 could use before it ever got to "fetch".

But (and I haven't looked into this really) I'd think that would quickly
get you into having a bundle with a PACK payload that wouldn't be
representable with the current bundle header format, which I think we'd
always want a 1=1 mapping of. I.e. you can specify a prereq, but not
leave out trees/blobs etc.

So thoughts on that most welcome, in particular how it could be made
future-proof.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-27  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-25 21:25 [PATCH 0/3] bundle-uri: "dumb" static CDN offloading, spec & server implementation Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 21:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] leak tests: mark t5701-git-serve.sh as passing SANITIZE=leak Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 21:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] protocol v2: specify static seeding of clone/fetch via "bundle-uri" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-26 14:00   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-26 15:00     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27  1:55       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-27 17:49         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27  2:01   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-27  8:29     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-10-27 16:31       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-27 18:01         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27 19:23           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-27 20:22             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-29 18:30               ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-30 14:51           ` Philip Oakley
2021-10-25 21:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] bundle-uri client: add "bundle-uri" parsing + tests Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-26 14:05   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-10-29 18:46 ` [PATCH 0/3] bundle-uri: "dumb" static CDN offloading, spec & server implementation Derrick Stolee
2021-10-30  7:21   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-01 21:00     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-01 23:18       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] bundle-uri: a "dumb CDN" for git Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/13] protocol v2: add server-side "bundle-uri" skeleton Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/13] bundle-uri docs: add design notes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/13] bundle-uri client: add "bundle-uri" parsing + tests Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/13] connect.c: refactor sending of agent & object-format Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/13] bundle-uri client: add minimal NOOP client Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/13] bundle-uri client: add "git ls-remote-bundle-uri" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/13] bundle-uri client: add transfer.injectBundleURI support Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/13] bundle-uri client: add boolean transfer.bundleURI setting Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/13] fetch-pack: add a deref_without_lazy_fetch_extended() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/13] fetch-pack: move --keep=* option filling to a function Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/13] bundle.h: make "fd" version of read_bundle_header() public Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/13] bundle-uri client: support for bundle-uri with "clone" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 16:24   ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/13] bundle-uri: make the download program configurable Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-03-11 21:28   ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] bundle-uri: a "dumb CDN" for git Derrick Stolee
2022-04-18 17:23   ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/36] bundle-uri: a "dumb CDN" for git + TOC format Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/36] connect.c: refactor sending of agent & object-format Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/36] dir API: add a generalized path_match_flags() function Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-21 17:26       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/36] fetch-pack: add a deref_without_lazy_fetch_extended() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-21 17:28       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/36] fetch-pack: move --keep=* option filling to a function Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/36] http: make http_get_file() external Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/36] remote: move relative_url() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/36] remote: allow relative_url() to return an absolute url Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/36] bundle.h: make "fd" version of read_bundle_header() public Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/36] protocol v2: add server-side "bundle-uri" skeleton Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/36] bundle-uri client: add "bundle-uri" parsing + tests Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/36] bundle-uri client: add minimal NOOP client Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/36] bundle-uri client: add "git ls-remote-bundle-uri" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/36] bundle-uri client: add transfer.injectBundleURI support Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/36] bundle-uri client: add boolean transfer.bundleURI setting Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/36] bundle-uri client: support for bundle-uri with "clone" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/36] bundle-uri: make the download program configurable Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/36] remote-curl: add 'get' capability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/36] bundle: implement 'fetch' command for direct bundles Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/36] bundle: parse table of contents during 'fetch' Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/36] bundle: add --filter option to 'fetch' Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/36] bundle: allow relative URLs in table of contents Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/36] bundle: make it easy to call 'git bundle fetch' Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/36] clone: add --bundle-uri option Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/36] clone: --bundle-uri cannot be combined with --depth Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/36] bundle: only fetch bundles if timestamp is new Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/36] fetch: fetch bundles before fetching original data Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/36] protocol-caps: implement cap_features() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/36] serve: understand but do not advertise 'features' capability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/36] serve: advertise 'features' when config exists Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/36] connect: implement get_recommended_features() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/36] transport: add connections for 'features' capability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/36] clone: use server-recommended bundle URI Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/36] t5601: basic bundle URI test Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/36] protocol v2: add server-side "bundle-uri" skeleton (docs) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/36] bundle-uri docs: add design notes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-18 17:23     ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/36] docs: document bundle URI standard Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-04-21 19:54     ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/36] bundle-uri: a "dumb CDN" for git + TOC format Derrick Stolee
2022-04-22  9:37       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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