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[24.132.120.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm5661032edz.95.2021.10.22.15.18.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 15:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avar by gmgdl with local (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1me2rr-001Nra-4t; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:18:27 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: Johannes Schindelin , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Summit topic] Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:06:06 +0200 References: <20211021134105.ziqmcknnpdsg6cvc@meerkat.local> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid; Emacs 27.1; mu4e 1.6.6 In-reply-to: <20211021134105.ziqmcknnpdsg6cvc@meerkat.local> Message-ID: <211023.861r4ck8jw.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Oct 21 2021, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 01:57:11PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: >> 2. Dscho said he=E2=80=99s not able to follow everything on the mailing= list >>=20 >> 1. if you have just one patch you send, reply-all works okay >>=20 >> 2. mailing list works reasonably well if you=E2=80=99re someone like= Junio, working >> on it full time, has good mail filters, keeps up to date with eve= rything >>=20 >> 3. If you=E2=80=99re in-between, does not work well > > This is a problem that's not actually unique to mailing lists. If you hav= e any > project that is popular enough, at some point it reaches critical mass wh= ere > developer/user feedback becomes too much for anyone to keep up. Github > projects aren't immune to this either, but they do have a benefit of prov= iding > an easy interface for someone to apply categorization to issues/discussio= ns. I'd like to use this mail as a good jump-off point to link to my "how" v.s. "what" E-Mail from when this was last discussed. I think I mentioned it in passing at the recent summit: https://lore.kernel.org/git/87fszd3xo0.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/ Especially as... >> 13. Junio: Not really. The extra tracking conversations are not as >> important to me. I think it=E2=80=99s a feature that if someone = requests a >> feature and nothing happens for a while that it no longer produc= es >> overhead for people is a useful feature. That kind of old filter= ing >> feature is sometimes valuable. > > I find that if there's no mailing list integration, then bugzilla general= ly > rots after the initial person getting the bug reports moves on. Then bugs > reported via bugzilla just sit there without anyone paying attention. At = least > when bug reports get sent to the list, the ensuing discussions get reflec= ted > in both the list archives and in bugzilla. ...it makes a passive mention to this "forgetting as a feature" aspect of not having a bug tracker. > >> 16. I=E2=80=99m also happy to work with kernel.org admins to get thi= s set up for us >> if that=E2=80=99s what we want > > Consider this part done. :) And thank you for your contribution to kernel.org infrastructure.