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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.org>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: why does git set X in LESS env var?
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 20:04:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231012000416.GA520855@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqa5sokdd3.fsf@gitster.g>

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 03:23:20PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.org> writes:
> 
> > But I still don't get from that why X would be needed?
> >
> > My less manpage documents it as:
> >> -X or --no‐init
> >>     Disables sending the termcap initialization and deinitialization
> >>     strings to the terminal.  This is sometimes desirable if the
> >>     deinitialization string does something unnecessary, like clearing
> >>     the screen.
> >
> > Is it to avoid clearing the screen?
> 
> I think that was the reason we added it back in 2005.  In any case,
> asking "why" is not a useful use of anybody's time, because it is
> very unlikely to change in the official version we ship, and because
> it is so easy for any individual who does not like it to drop by
> exporting the $LESS environment variable.

I agree it is probably not worth changing now, but I think the history
here is a little interesting.

Yes, I think "X" was added because less would clear the screen after
exiting, and with "F" this meant you'd see nothing. Here's a thread from
the same time period discussing it:

  https://lore.kernel.org/git/cc723f590610210623sbee2075i5f2fd441cceb84ae@mail.gmail.com/

But I also think this was a pretty well-known annoyance with "less" back
then.

However, I can't seem to reproduce it now! Digging into the history and
the changelog, this note is in "changes between less versions 487 and
530":

  Don't output terminal init sequence if using -F and file fits on one
  screen.

So it seems like the problem has been fixed inside less for recent
versions. And in theory we _could_ drop "-X" if it is causing problems.
That version of less is ~5 years old. It does seem a little premature to
assume everybody has it. And as you say, if there are people who really
care about their LESS options, it is easy for them to override it.

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-12  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-11 22:19 why does git set X in LESS env var? Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-11 22:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-11 22:26   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-11 22:51     ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-11 23:16       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-11 23:29         ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-11 23:43           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-12  0:06             ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12  0:22               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-12  0:31                 ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12  1:39                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-12  5:46                     ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12 20:23                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-12 21:15                         ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12 21:48                           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-12 22:36                             ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12 23:06                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-13  4:43                                 ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-13 13:45                                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-13 15:00                                     ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12  0:04   ` Jeff King [this message]
2023-10-12  0:16     ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12  1:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-12  5:30       ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12 16:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-13 20:12           ` Dragan Simic
     [not found]             ` <cfbe174f-23ac-4a35-8db4-66bdfdfdc14e@gmail.com>
2023-11-02  6:01               ` Thomas Guyot
2023-11-02  6:14                 ` Dragan Simic
2023-11-02  6:48               ` Dragan Simic
2023-11-02 13:19                 ` Thomas Guyot
2023-11-02 14:19                   ` Dragan Simic
2023-11-03 11:47                     ` Thomas Guyot
2023-11-03 15:28                       ` Andy Koppe
2023-11-03 18:38                         ` Dragan Simic
2023-11-03 18:22                       ` Dragan Simic
2023-11-06  3:47                     ` Dragan Simic
2024-03-21 15:53                       ` Dragan Simic
2023-10-12  3:54     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2023-10-12  5:57       ` Dragan Simic

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