From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943BF1F5AE for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 17:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230213AbhEMRSY (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 May 2021 13:18:24 -0400 Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]:54647 "EHLO wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230154AbhEMRSU (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 May 2021 13:18:20 -0400 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D382929EB; Thu, 13 May 2021 13:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 13 May 2021 13:17:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= linuxprogrammer.org; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to; s=fm3; bh=welksklg73XuLbet19Lv7tB2HlXuigzfObm/kpvi U1g=; b=KNIxwgQ3JKhzU8hrrw9TVMo4AxiGDOnTexPjti8T4ssJvK1MW2X+ockU 9/w+iktJiez/9gFcIq83K6uZ3saystj8voviXRN4C9stOiKH9wXzvr/KBU0LSC/8 TWn1NA4ht/EhGXhNNji5qygAXeuXWw/UaHCK8UVeER09rvSqH3Per3YIhwA4zAYC xn+dyWmbaN3xbTL+0raEqd96WBz0FCs/pDSy0h5rCU4DdpJi6WjT52dle0trj7jL dlEEhGfjtJL54Kzu+M78wz+XSp+kGh4cseWkywRkxtWSyYLoH1i2N9n0XPMaIQpY UJIGx6t13F+Z32yifgZY590FOaS9rw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=welksklg73XuLbet19Lv7tB2HlXuigzfObm/kpviU 1g=; b=u7Qva1Stc1Gk5rTFlI6kkImFffSylnl7Dd4mS5wXL8qknp3rsK85FTuLn ndPQoP2qlpy3/hYJFBceBLURhHqlNc+ULRwUiqhK53i4TqaeYSgcQCN4QOUHZSUH qNSUpMJXFmHHYBgfvJotNuQ+Xmh8/Mb+8Ubv0wtQEYchTmnu9QP0vzYqqYpRLDZB m6goD/z0R2RCl1B4xf7evW+a7P4rvrbxaDkTf/SFZhYzIiTcS5NCv9ObQGYDN2YS z9MoxAG1pPioXCIddpjekxMQwcsq4Wp5wnPKbVF/jI/PEsTY2H6YT3MQVfxbVzt+ Hx3xHrQBM40hlmNqa+vJ+pzGfcnog== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrvdehgedguddutdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtugfgjggfse htkeertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghvvgcujfhushgvsgihuceougifhheslhhinhhu gihprhhoghhrrghmmhgvrhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepheegudefteekvd egudeiheeiuefhkeeludfhffetvdekuefhhfetveelteegtefhnecukfhppedujeegrdeh vddrudehrdefjeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfh hrohhmpegufihhsehlihhnuhigphhrohhgrhgrmhhmvghrrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (c-174-52-15-37.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [174.52.15.37]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 13 May 2021 13:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 10:17:06 -0700 From: Dave Huseby To: Junio C Hamano Cc: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , git@vger.kernel.org, christian.couder@gmail.com, felipe.contreras@gmail.com, stefanmoch@mail.de, philipoak@iee.email, bagasdotme@gmail.com, sunshine@sunshineco.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] doc: writing down Git mailing list etiquette Message-ID: <20210513171706.GD11882@localhost> References: <20210512031821.6498-2-dwh@linuxprogrammer.org> <20210512233412.10737-1-dwh@linuxprogrammer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On 13.05.2021 09:20, Junio C Hamano wrote: >I've read this version over, and did not find much that is >objectionable, but as some others said on the previous round, there >may be overlaps and repetitions we'd rather get rid of. We should >be able to cover discussions around patches in the SubmittingPatches >document without introducing a new document, so all that remains is >what to do with non-patch discussions. I suspect that it might even >be sufficient to (1) taylor descriptions introduced in this patch >for discussions around patches and reviews, and add it as a new >section to SubmittingPatches and (2) mention that the same principle >applies to non-patch communication in the same section as a sidenote >but obviously others may disagree. I realized last night that there is an important distinction between using email to work *with* Git and using email to work *on* Git. The Git ML has its own etiquette and rules and MUA tweaks that may not apply to other projects that use Git and a mailing list. The files MyFirstContribution.txt and SubmittingPatches are clearly focused on using email to work *on* Git. The file MyFirstObjectWalk.txt is also about working *on* Git, although unrelated to email and the mailing list. Maybe it's time we make the *on*/*with* distinction more obvious by creating a Documentation/WorkingOnGit subdir? Just throwing that out there. It sounds to me like adding a MailingListEtiquette.txt file isn't the favored approach. I can tailor the information in here to fit into new sections of SubmittingPatches. >Ævar, you also have some updates to SubmittingPatches in flight. > >Can I ask you to work with Dave to figure out how well this update >fits in the entire picture as a stakeholder to the document (i.e. >not as "the guilty party who is involved in conflicts", but as >"somebody who has been long enough to be qualified to guide the >evolution of the document, and obviously is interested in improving >the document")? I saw Ævar's patches last night and had the same thought. Since it looks like this is probably all going into SubmittingPatches, I'll connect with Ævar and see if we can come up with a patch series for (1) Ævar's re-org and pruning (2) my Mutt MUA settings and (3) etiquette related information for discussions around patches and reviews with a (4) side note for any general etiquette for non-patch communication. Thoughts? >Thanks. No, thank you. And thank you to Felipe and Bagas for such thorough reviews.