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From: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
To: Robert Coup <robert.coup@koordinates.com>
Cc: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Varun Varada <varuncvarada@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc: replace jargon word "impact" with "effect"/"affect"
Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 11:48:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210513094818.GH8544@kitsune.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFLLRpJeU3BFKmsGgFoKQRLCw-uGRRH1Ob7PZBHUEQu_Pqshgw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 09:55:42AM +0100, Robert Coup wrote:
> Hi Michal,
> 
> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 08:47, Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > That would be the situation if you comented on the patch adding 'impact'
> > before it was merged.
> 
> As a lurker (and there are a lot more of us than people who email the
> list), this comes across to me as veering well into bad faith. Because
> it wasn't picked up at the time it can never be improved? Code doesn't
> work that way, neither should any other aspect of the project.
> 
> Non-native English speakers outnumber native ones about 3:1 [1], and
> even within native English speaking countries there are variances in
> common vocabulary. This sort of stuff trips up non-native speakers
> though (and the lack of rules in English makes it difficult enough) -
> why would we want to make understanding Git harder for people when
> there's a simple improvement to be had?

Indeed, and I even provided an argument why eliminating 'impact' in git
would likely improve the situation for non-native speakers. 'impact' is
very rarely used in git, and by eliminating it (which is completely
feasible) we reduce the vocabulary needed to read git documentation and
make it more consistent.

Yet Felipe insists that 'impact' is somehow generally bad word to use or
that it should be abolished solely because he finds it bad and nobody
objected to the alternative wording.

Opinions on use of 'impact' differ both among the participants of this
discussion and authorities like authors well-known dictionaries.

It looks like this is generally matter of stylistic preferences and
opinions. That is even if there is some slight stylistic preference for
not using the word 'impact' it is very hard to prove such and then it is
very hard to request change based only on writing style preferences.

That's not to say it's impossible but Felipe chooses the option to
rehash the same arguments ad nauseam without bringing clear and
substantial arguments in favor of the change.

Thanks

Michal

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-13  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-05 21:48 [PATCH] doc: replace jargon word "impact" with "effect"/"affect" Varun Varada
2021-04-06  9:24 ` Michal Suchánek
2021-04-06 19:36   ` Varun Varada
2021-04-06 23:01     ` Jeff King
2021-04-07  0:06       ` Varun Varada
2021-04-28  0:39         ` Varun Varada
2021-04-28  8:58           ` Michal Suchánek
2021-04-28 18:15             ` Varun Varada
2021-04-28 18:49               ` Michal Suchánek
2021-04-30  1:51                 ` Varun Varada
2021-04-30  7:59                   ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-10 17:19                     ` Varun Varada
2021-05-10 17:35                       ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-10 18:37                         ` Varun Varada
2021-05-11 10:43                           ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-11 13:22                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-12  3:02                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:59                             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:48                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:38                 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:34             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:24       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 19:59     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 20:25       ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-11 21:38         ` Varun Varada
2021-05-12  3:43           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  4:09             ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12  5:13               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  6:47                 ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12  9:06                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 10:08                     ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12 10:33                       ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12 11:05                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 11:20                         ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12 11:45                           ` Robert P. J. Day
2021-05-12 15:19                             ` Kerry, Richard
2021-05-12 16:47                   ` Varun Varada
2021-05-12 17:01                     ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12 17:32                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 18:04                         ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12 19:42                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13  7:46                             ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-13  8:28                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13  8:55                               ` Robert Coup
2021-05-13  9:48                                 ` Michal Suchánek [this message]
2021-05-13  9:59                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-26 23:49                                   ` Varun Varada
2021-05-27 11:46                                     ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-27 14:08                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-27 14:35                                         ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-27 16:43                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-12 23:13                                           ` Varun Varada
2021-06-13 11:40                                             ` Michal Suchánek
2021-06-13 14:06                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-13 16:28                                                 ` Michal Suchánek
2021-06-13 17:12                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 22:52                       ` Varun Varada
2021-05-13  6:19                         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  3:21         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 19:21   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 19:57     ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12  3:09       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  4:11         ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-12  5:22           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 16:39           ` Varun Varada
2021-05-13 10:40 ` Philip Oakley
2021-05-26 23:52   ` Varun Varada
2021-05-27 11:20     ` Philip Oakley

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