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From: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Git <git@vger.kernel.org>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Don Goodman-Wilson <don@goodman-wilson.com>
Subject: Re: The master branch rename, and avoiding another v1.6.0 git-foo fiasco
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:08:46 +0100
Message-ID: <20201113160846.GI29778@kitsune.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201113145802.GB3985404@mit.edu>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 12:28:52AM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:14 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > Is it changing the default branch name when creating a new repository?
> > > (Which affects only people creating new repositories)
> > 
> > You may choose to downplay the experience of certain part of the
> > user-base, because in your experience creating new repositories
> > doesn't happen often, but that doesn't mean these users don't exist.
> 
> OK, fine.  That wasn't clear in your earlier messages.  So this is
> *not* like 2008, where we are breaking workflows or finger macros of
> *existing* git users.
> 
> Instead, we might be causing a certain amount of confusion with
> respect to *new* users, especially if some portion of them are using
> an older version of git, where the default initial branch name is
> "master", or a newer version of git, where the default initial branch
> name is "main".
> 
> It's important we be specific about the concern, as opposed to using
> abstract notions of "backwards compatibility".  Because I'll note that
> even if we were to release a git 3.0, it's not going to fix the
> potential confusion where some students / new users trying to follow a
> tutorial are using git 2.x, and some are using git 3.x.
> 
> We could delay making the change for years, but that isn't going to
> guarantee that all of the various tutorials on the 'net will be
> changed, and experience from long deprecation periods (exhibit 1:
> Pythonx 2.x vs Python 3) is that people will drag there feet and put
> off doing the work to migrate for years and years and years.

But we could, for example, provide a way to specify the default branch
when creating the repository, and rewrite the tutorials to advise users
to specify a branch name, at least the ones provided by git project
itself. Then what the default is does not matter.

Thanks

Michal

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-13 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-13  0:04 Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  1:01 ` brian m. carlson
2020-11-13  4:27   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  5:14     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-11-13  6:28       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 14:58         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-11-13 15:37           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 16:08           ` Michal Suchánek [this message]
2020-11-14 14:19           ` Lukasz Niemier
2020-11-15  3:46             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-11-15  4:27               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-19  1:02               ` Brandon Casey
2020-11-19  4:16                 ` Peter Hadlaw
2020-11-19 13:37                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-11-19 21:25                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 23:29                     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-20 19:14                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-11-19 21:29                   ` Brandon Casey
2020-11-20  0:34                     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  6:09     ` Don Goodman-Wilson
     [not found]     ` <nbCkLegnP_kb-16UzAuDChE0p68ZtRD_3ZN3o3BJHYBYpUxTWuKjvhCSKT7zRZl_sckHrkyJl2fwePFUBR-HtDcEV0rHuac6Ygg-FrrYsYI=@goodman-wilson.com>
2020-11-13  6:47       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 13:53         ` Philippe Blain
2020-11-13 15:49           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23 15:39           ` Whinis
2020-11-20 18:38     ` Ismael Luceno

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