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From: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
To: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Shengfa Lin <shengfa@google.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, nathaniel@google.com,
	rsbecker@nexbridge.com, santiago@nyu.edu
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/1] adding user.hideTimezone for setting UTC timezone
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 19:53:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201003195325.GL1392312@camp.crustytoothpaste.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201001034350.GB2930867@google.com>

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On 2020-10-01 at 03:43:50, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> Junio C Hamano wrote:
> > You can let the existing code produce its natural result and then
> > when the "force UTC" flag is set, override the offset part to +0000
> > if and only if the timezone was obtained from the current
> > environment (this if-and-only-if is necessary, because you do not
> > want to rewrite and force UTC when you run "git commit --amend"
> > without the "--reset-author" option to update a commit that was
> > created somewhere else to UTC).  That way, we do not have to futz
> > with TZ environment or tzset.
> 
> Yes, I think this is simpler and nicer than the proposal in my other
> reply.

Yeah, I agree this is more desirable.

> In addition to not having to futz with TZ, I think I like the
> semantics better.  The motivation that started this thread was not so
> much "I want to set a custom timezone to blend in" but rather "why are
> we recording the timezone at all here?"  In that context, it makes
> sense to me to have a setting such as
> 
> 	core.recordTimeZone
> 
> that I can turn *off* to say that I don't think datestamp() callers
> should consider the timezone to be information worth recording (and
> instead they should write +0000).  To me that seems a little simpler
> to understand than user.hideTimezone since this focuses on turning
> some functionality off (recording of the time zone) instead of turning
> on a new stealth mode.

I'd like to make one suggestion here, and that's that instead of writing
"+0000" in this case, we write "-0000".  As far as I'm aware, it should
be parsed equivalently but it mirrors RFC 5322:

  Though "-0000" also indicates Universal Time, it is used to indicate
  that the time was generated on a system that may be in a local time
  zone other than Universal Time and that the date-time contains no
  information about the local time zone.

This is exactly my case.  As you can tell from my emails, I'm not
physically located in a UTC timezone, but my system is in UTC and uses
that for timestamps.  I use UTC because I know and work with people from
around the world and it's more convenient to use an objective standard;
my real time zone is unimportant.  That's materially different than
someone who's located in Reykjavík, where we'd want to write +0000,
since they are physically located in a UTC-equivalent timezone.
-- 
brian m. carlson: Houston, Texas, US

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-03 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-05 17:14 [ISSUE] Stop accessing, storing, and sharing the user's time zone Nathaniel Manista
2019-12-05 17:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-05 17:33 ` Randall S. Becker
2019-12-05 17:43   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-05 17:53     ` Santiago Torres Arias
2019-12-05 18:00     ` Randall S. Becker
2020-09-30 23:21 ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] adding user.hideTimezone for setting UTC timezone Shengfa Lin
2020-09-30 23:21   ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] hideTimezone: add a user.hideTimezone config Shengfa Lin
2020-09-30 23:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  0:17       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02  6:07         ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-01  0:31       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  0:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02  6:41           ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:46             ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:37         ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:02       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02  6:15         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-10-02 22:32           ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-03  4:57             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-30 23:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02  6:51       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-01  0:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  2:44     ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-10-02 21:17       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-09-30 23:53   ` [RFC PATCH 0/1] adding user.hideTimezone for setting UTC timezone Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  2:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-01  3:43       ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-10-01 15:48         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-08 19:49           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]             ` <CAEOYnASgxCE5NjhoSgDwyQyAmdLhw5UyFq_Fu==8q7y6uXGz6w@mail.gmail.com>
2020-10-09 16:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02 21:56         ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02 22:06           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-03  3:50             ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-03  4:42               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-03 19:53         ` brian m. carlson [this message]
2020-10-03 22:14           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-02 21:42       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-02 21:23     ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13  5:28 ` [WIP v2 0/2] experiment with commit option record-time-zone Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13  5:28   ` [WIP v2 1/2] Adding a record-time-zone command option for commit Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13 20:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-21  5:01       ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-21 18:55         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-22 16:27           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-26  4:14             ` Shengfa Lin
2020-10-13  5:28   ` [WIP v2 2/2] Demonstrate failing and passing tests Shengfa Lin

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