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* Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
@ 2020-09-17 10:11 Kerry, Richard
  2020-09-17 13:01 ` Jeff King
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Kerry, Richard @ 2020-09-17 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: git


Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?
Up until sometime late yesterday, messages from the list came from git-owner@vger.kernel.org, on behalf of the originator.  Now messages are coming directly from the originator.  This means my Inbox rules have stopped working.

Is this a deliberate change?  Unexpected change in mailing list software?  Will it be changed back?  

Regards,
Richard.


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* Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
  2020-09-17 10:11 Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender? Kerry, Richard
@ 2020-09-17 13:01 ` Jeff King
  2020-09-18 22:53   ` Aaron Schrab
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Jeff King @ 2020-09-17 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kerry, Richard; +Cc: git

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:11:17AM +0000, Kerry, Richard wrote:

> Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?
> Up until sometime late yesterday, messages from the list came from
> git-owner@vger.kernel.org, on behalf of the originator.  Now messages
> are coming directly from the originator.  This means my Inbox rules
> have stopped working.
> 
> Is this a deliberate change?  Unexpected change in mailing list
> software?  Will it be changed back?

Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the messages
I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some other
mechanism you might be filtering on?

(If you're not already, a reliable way to detect list messages is by the
List-ID or X-Mailing-List headers, both of which are sent by the list
software).

This may be further complicated, though, by the fact that the convention
on this list is to cc people in responses. So you may receive a non-list
copy of such a response. Though I don't see you cc'd on a lot of
responses lately.

-Peff

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* Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
  2020-09-17 13:01 ` Jeff King
@ 2020-09-18 22:53   ` Aaron Schrab
  2020-09-18 23:28     ` Jeff King
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Aaron Schrab @ 2020-09-18 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King; +Cc: Kerry, Richard, git

At 09:01 -0400 17 Sep 2020, Jeff King <peff@peff.net> wrote:
>On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:11:17AM +0000, Kerry, Richard wrote:
>
>> Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?
>> Up until sometime late yesterday, messages from the list came from
>> git-owner@vger.kernel.org, on behalf of the originator.  Now messages
>> are coming directly from the originator.  This means my Inbox rules
>> have stopped working.
>>
>> Is this a deliberate change?  Unexpected change in mailing list
>> software?  Will it be changed back?
>
>Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the messages
>I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some other
>mechanism you might be filtering on?

Comparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the 
message I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect 
to be similar before the list handling I see that that older message 
included the header

   Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org

But the newer message does not have a Sender: header.

I don't know if that was a deliberate change. 

>(If you're not already, a reliable way to detect list messages is by 
>the List-ID or X-Mailing-List headers, both of which are sent by the 
>list software).

Yes, since I've been using the List-ID header for filtering for a long 
time now, I hadn't noticed that the Sender: header was no longer being 
sent.

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* Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
  2020-09-18 22:53   ` Aaron Schrab
@ 2020-09-18 23:28     ` Jeff King
  2020-09-19  1:44       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
  2020-09-21  9:22       ` Kerry, Richard
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Jeff King @ 2020-09-18 23:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aaron Schrab; +Cc: postmaster, Kerry, Richard, git

[+cc postmaster@vger; it looks like messages to the git-list stopped
including a Sender header as of a few days ago]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 06:53:26PM -0400, Aaron Schrab wrote:

> > Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the messages
> > I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some other
> > mechanism you might be filtering on?
> 
> Comparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the
> message I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect to be
> similar before the list handling I see that that older message included the
> header
> 
>   Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org
> 
> But the newer message does not have a Sender: header.

Ah, thanks. I even looked for a Sender header, but I stupidly looked at
too-recent messages, which of course didn't have one. :)

According to my local archive, we stopped getting Sender headers around
1600296026 (that's the timestamp when I received it), which was

  Date:   Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:11:50 -0400
  Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] t3200: avoid variations of the `master` branch name
  https://lore.kernel.org/git/20200916211150.GA617237@coredump.intra.peff.net/

The message I received right before that was:

  Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:25:42 -0700
  Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] t/test-terminal: avoid non-inclusive language
  https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqo8m5v2g9.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com/

which does have a Sender header (note those are out of order if you
believe the client-side Date headers).

> I don't know if that was a deliberate change.

I don't know, but we don't really admin the list ourselves. kernel.org
folks do, so they might have input.

-Peff

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* Re: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
  2020-09-18 23:28     ` Jeff King
@ 2020-09-19  1:44       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
  2020-09-21  9:22       ` Kerry, Richard
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Konstantin Ryabitsev @ 2020-09-19  1:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King; +Cc: Aaron Schrab, postmaster, Kerry, Richard, git

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 07:28:05PM -0400, Jeff King wrote:
> I don't know, but we don't really admin the list ourselves. kernel.org
> folks do, so they might have input.

You cc'd postmaster@vger, which is the right set of people -- it's 
managed by a different crew than the rest of kernel.org.

Best regards,
-K

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* RE: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
  2020-09-18 23:28     ` Jeff King
  2020-09-19  1:44       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
@ 2020-09-21  9:22       ` Kerry, Richard
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Kerry, Richard @ 2020-09-21  9:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King, Aaron Schrab; +Cc: postmaster, git


>-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net> 
Sent: 19 September 2020 00:28

[+cc postmaster@vger; it looks like messages to the git-list stopped including a Sender header as of a few days ago]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 06:53:26PM -0400, Aaron Schrab wrote:

> > Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the 
> > messages I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some 
> > other mechanism you might be filtering on?
> 
> Comparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the 
> message I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect 
> to be similar before the list handling I see that that older message 
> included the header
> 
>   Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org
> 
> But the newer message does not have a Sender: header.

Ah, thanks. I even looked for a Sender header, but I stupidly looked at too-recent messages, which of course didn't have one. :)

According to my local archive, we stopped getting Sender headers around
1600296026 (that's the timestamp when I received it), which was

  Date:   Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:11:50 -0400
  Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] t3200: avoid variations of the `master` branch name
  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fgit%2F20200916211150.GA617237%40coredump.intra.peff.net%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Crichard.kerry%40atos.net%7C18fbfb95670c4239606e08d85c2a8213%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C637360684926108678&amp;sdata=kO%2B18zpArKLse%2FI4JaNNvhqNmv%2F8hnftYyZvWTjVECQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

The message I received right before that was:

  Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:25:42 -0700
  Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] t/test-terminal: avoid non-inclusive language
  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fgit%2Fxmqqo8m5v2g9.fsf%40gitster.c.googlers.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Crichard.kerry%40atos.net%7C18fbfb95670c4239606e08d85c2a8213%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C637360684926108678&amp;sdata=IL0Td9wrQdVPffYZTycpr1x7jxy5Tq63M2r%2B4h%2Fhb5A%3D&amp;reserved=0

which does have a Sender header (note those are out of order if you believe the client-side Date headers).

> I don't know if that was a deliberate change.

[RK] Yes, those are the two messages either side of the change as I see it.  
[RK] I'm using Outlook (it's a work computer) so I probably don't have the level of control that some other mail readers do, and everything gets a load of spam-filter headers added, making the headers harder to read.  By adding "To: Git" I seem to have got my filters working again under the new, Sender-less, scheme.  That is even working for messages where the Git list is CC-ed rather than Sent to.


[RK] Regards,
[RK] Richard.





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