From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33411F5AE for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731324AbgG1QZc (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:25:32 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:53602 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1730679AbgG1QZc (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:25:32 -0400 Received: from mail-qv1-xf34.google.com (mail-qv1-xf34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f34]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC386C061794 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf34.google.com with SMTP id y11so6415948qvl.4 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:25:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ttaylorr-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=IcDR+fC+wd5gBdgKKz49mt094rmjjieQdK8vyrV4WpE=; b=hQWEFf1AG/hBeakq7wMglxHXVb9KTPHdULpxcVvAw0ymcWZl2qlM4B2MtIX3BP67Ho HrtgFm+ZzJocgxkERa2pIwqEHBN4RcRThFaKfR5a7m9H3yn/3Rd+KgoiJba0anwXB5QU v0GGeRHg1f0OK5a+3ZP0cN47E7rXhGqifgsMlf+6/WCesdpq8vprEXhu22ybQ7zabq22 8A2Ow1nRcacvWDfkQG/nni+fDmyfTRC4Yt7WgKDmNxp9x9oMkam+M8UZnRUiTIUg/ZJu 1ycAmg/iQASUi+ip39PiDQWnHXtTNQZRjHaskgdPU8kX2n4NqwzFAwJjk2ouKvqh21lI 86bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=IcDR+fC+wd5gBdgKKz49mt094rmjjieQdK8vyrV4WpE=; b=rgHtbcRV+vbGGHg4n7g9fUGjfjWB1654uFa6PWnh8Px9Hmzj8vjPhpyhHwjMt1i3JB iYLMDI7umU1kQ8x/LH7QH+jfPKrqWVf1chFYW/+h2LdY1aJfA5XJaxPYX78TAg3ei7RV 8fheOxef9akOUtg8VSzeja8kfHD2ueIJ9bcXD4j3tw/DBEb988q46mal5/a9DzwBzLy6 76f9TW1TRfi3qN8nq89g2Npl0YAr8leMZF6TrOG0+OP+Jye5S/qP+JWkBUMLvTfLEuhv BlNdiH3naYbbjwoNMEY+oaHAO4GPuNr9f9s5AQGp2DSXTAcVQnHUabp4hvEFPIX4uRJt I6Ag== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5336amYu/Zfa8l4wvIBrDeIgPB1NsbJ04tPxWSmaeKJPUd6DUQe0 ZRVP8lWnlvtitKInqMtROvCaLg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzOygA2NJ07qKzxDO9sxGjnpSO1+t1Y251w3gKkdJBvtq8Qkq74HP3h/Uw8YrgTHLi7JtsUfg== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:4744:: with SMTP id c4mr28571217qvx.126.1595953530540; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([2605:9480:22e:ff10:9c58:8530:481a:f835]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q16sm22730232qkn.115.2020.07.28.09.25.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:25:28 -0400 From: Taylor Blau To: Eric Wong Cc: Taylor Blau , Carmen Andoh , git@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Nieder Subject: Re: Git Inclusion Summit Message-ID: <20200728162528.GH87373@syl.lan> References: <20200726040226.GA19030@dcvr> <20200727151023.GB62919@syl.lan> <20200728100726.GA24408@dcvr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200728100726.GA24408@dcvr> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:07:26AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote: > Taylor Blau wrote: > > > > > I think that it's tough to make individuals on both sides of this feel > > comfortable. On the one hand, folks such as yourself may feel > > uncomfortable with this format for the reasons that you posted above. On > > the other hand, some folks may prefer audio or video instead of text > > because they find it easier to express themselves with their body > > language, intonation, etc. > > I can understand that. However most coding nowadays (especially > for this project) is text, so that's already the lowest common > denominator. > > > A bare minimum seems to be using a free service (I know that Jitsi Meet > > is an often-recommended alternative) with support for joining without > > video (either using audio only, or participating over chat). > > > > Hopefully everybody should have a good-enough internet connection to > > stream a low-quality audio-only feed so that they can listen in and > > participate via the chat feature. This is what we did at the > > Contributor's Summit in March (I know we had a number of text-only > > participants in time-zones where it was late, etc.). > > > > What are your thoughts? > > Jitsi w/ audio-only certainly seems to be a step in the right > direction and would be more inclusive. > > Is there any speech-to-text transcription done for the hearing > (or extremely bandwidth) impaired? It looks like such a thing exists: https://jitsi.org/blog/a-speech-to-text-prototype/. > It'd ideally go to #git on IRC (or something that doesn't > require a browser to trigger swap storms on old systems). > > Even for people with good hearing, acceptable audio quality for > speech seems tricky to get right, being dependent on mics, > bandwidth, codecs, background noise, speaker/earphone quality, > etc. I haven't look hard enough to see if it supports redirecting its output to an IRC channel, but my guess is that it probably doesn't. In either case, hopefully disabling audio and video is possible within Jitsi's web UI, and you should be able to read or write in the chat as well as read the transcription. Thanks, Taylor