From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9BA1F5AE for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729236AbgFPRcb (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:32:31 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34622 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728271AbgFPRca (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:32:30 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-x82e.google.com (mail-qt1-x82e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82e]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6143BC061573 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82e.google.com with SMTP id k22so16108290qtm.6 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:32:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=uWNzIVoJCcLjRgqEJRaXauCyewNtYolRt53qDyjZQVA=; b=aiabG4IJCqeAnC6twJeaPCzQXhvSckrPJzsH/ZQ7lzdndvmeQsREUjnacrtiMP5ETz Lzl8qlViD/bxcyvonusSHMGsJk1q2zTWZQ7RbwK+OItpRKkUrjjOnMWrA4pw5KmZdINT pDv9Gsako9AuI+bpA68wfYCtFpkKW3yDigBZg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to; bh=uWNzIVoJCcLjRgqEJRaXauCyewNtYolRt53qDyjZQVA=; b=DHKLvb3IyT46+2jklCGPjym6kv2LN+YXMAVtbcPTKHtAIDMjAWrVgEmD2zuDQQQql4 4fVrqE1LollvZZXI7rYPG6P4SXZXDGlPOvWHkA/aG4uBlvXLMzfngLPBI5pV4FahWa3q aIVRsI0fhJxgOpYtxrt5T0nyJdksK7FFDml4qrUjc+MR7QLW/nbzbVPdRHFXYM1JAJKi M/f1D0KyOIX2LB4PwmoJh4anaVBPpl4KVEz0tWQgb+XgmbXwtfhlcrwiONx/odEyGOxQ 4YkxYiFAiVwb8gIEuUCpv4dC+U/1ifK3BMWUuraM9fypeKyhnjuqA+3xCS2fWsCQiFBA 4RLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532b08TIbJfMDGEecYmtMIIBLFNLxuh16Tvdb8R5UJepbA/Vx+CB EtjgmuNEOEc8lOqyKXU6ppRxygeIq6k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwd8qSG4Pwv+ZRv6w80IzzxkVvMrpwGZ5KU5LcB3WXGQGJZc2EbqKaITkmxmziwk8FFm4gwdQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3066:: with SMTP id g35mr21854679qte.193.1592328749499; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i7.mricon.com (107-179-243-71.cpe.teksavvy.com. [107.179.243.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v59sm15629636qte.96.2020.06.16.10.32.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by i7.mricon.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:32:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:32:27 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Oleg Cc: git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Consensus on a new default branch name Message-ID: <20200616173227.inexk4clqilojg36@chatter.i7.local> Mail-Followup-To: Oleg , git@vger.kernel.org References: <20200615205722.GG71506@syl.local> <20200615212154.GA79696@syl.local> <20200616143107.GL666057@coredump.intra.peff.net> <20200616145207.GA13998@legohost> <20200616160005.GB667151@coredump.intra.peff.net> <20200616171048.GA18874@legohost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200616171048.GA18874@legohost> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 08:11:01PM +0300, Oleg wrote: > > I think it's clear that this _is_ a politically-driven change. It is > > not > > helping the software in any technical way to change the name. The > > Yes. You are absolutely right. > > > question is whether the more abstract benefits to people are worth the > > potential costs. > > Of course, not. This is obvious. Oleg, that doesn't make it an invalid discussion point. If Git was written in German and the lead branch was called "refs/heads/fuhrer" (German word for "leader"), you'd be on the opposite side of the barricades arguing that this needs to be changed because it's offensive to many people whose immediate family members died in WW2. And someone else would be reasonably pointing out that "fuhrer" doesn't mean "The Fuhrer" and nobody is even alive since then anymore, and omg, why is this even a discussion topic -- isn't there something more important everyone could work on? Yes, it's a politically motivated change, but it's clearly important to quite a few people right now and their views should not be disregarded. -K