From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871761F55B for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 02:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726369AbgFKCfJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:35:09 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34486 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726312AbgFKCfI (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:35:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-x435.google.com (mail-pf1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::435]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 619C4C08C5C1 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x435.google.com with SMTP id s23so1997818pfh.7 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:35:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ttaylorr-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=MZ0uni8KNnkvihCvAPTLf8z85eMORusWcDxzn2N1cE8=; b=IxW1WUtlSqzNrRoN3kCu4DiErqUfPtJ/EG45RTWkgR7JmfIimqHeaeALTmL+tv2G9x uvAkPvFA9WALZj0qOAp7hW0UJ/lexCk4jvddE0qiSaPM/qFO/K3IYfbLuCj/14Gb1OPQ Qy0aYoWlheCKIYnKlMsfcHaLhY/8PIceaYGzpuY9LPgYF7LEC+yNDF819MFAL9nzhHdm HwHWI/BHlwvbOG6wqWwwI+mCZOXUdxY5mUPYn33bJTV+RtQLGwRdxFmhSiqblm8q0MV4 eX5ObvsgWxhvKX+klYw2PUp2ZPHVOrgoPfyabtFkseae6EoNrMn796u1VYFZB1N1kErM JJ1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=MZ0uni8KNnkvihCvAPTLf8z85eMORusWcDxzn2N1cE8=; b=dCYPumOYRUG52hqUW8lri0JToORTk5urnra1P/oEFfdUgB/fpo4BsfCdIdwclg6O/v qNfIacS1OTvCPws5gTT7xMVlo99AVSBvr+QCLiRflR8m1TZqXgIjqojsLBVqpBxO3+9S oMujGA/ya1WWICcuKjWlcamOGbZrnFb9KZIx1cubDUzeUXSUDyhVc3zhh4QHS9m9u4LD WkKCYIT9Gi/TsFU8hXmi6hARELR685KVjm1gUmVYU8gPbSNN/BfVGq4eyxUDgXDYxiYF tMXmMl6iqVPCbBH524UOFy7Zg/VdHzF5He5jbBSbMU25zgCE0UE/o7dxhzguLlss8h+b wF5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531+bJWMMbe8xMBjYpiF9mM7T0Eu1On9hObbyv8/AZDs55L+xNXN /KHhOLhmfbLvpWrg2MgbtcZDdtEoIhcXJg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyxADB2FU48MfXYYh8M1sOlC0qv+M5GB7tjfUA+lqb1jJqtAQTUUuFvUchtYNfhdbA9N14WaA== X-Received: by 2002:a62:1407:: with SMTP id 7mr5109790pfu.282.1591842907412; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([63.239.199.7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e12sm1091371pgk.9.2020.06.10.19.35.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Taylor Blau X-Google-Original-From: Taylor Blau Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 20:35:03 -0600 To: Junio C Hamano Cc: Taylor Blau , Emily Shaffer , Johannes Schindelin , "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters , Don Goodman-Wilson , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Virtual Inclusion Summit Message-ID: <20200611023503.GA24130@syl.local> References: <20200610222719.GE148632@google.com> <20200611011040.GB21728@syl.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 07:13:58PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Taylor Blau writes: > > >> It is OK to have an optional meeting in the hope that a video > >> meeting may have a better chance to keep those who easily become too > >> aggressive and confrontational in text-only conversation in check > >> and instead have civilized conversation. > >> > >> But I am not sure if it is a good idea to call such a meeting a > >> "Summit", given that there are those who prefer not to be seen, > >> heard or recorded how they appear and how they sound in a video > >> conference. They would not be able to join the conversation held in > >> such a "Summit" held only by those who are privileged enough to be > >> able to attend. > > > > I think that this is a very reasonable concern, stated in a very > > reasonable fashion. Let's call it something else, sure, and avoid > > recording/publishing the event (as we have done in the past at other > > in-person events--such as the last Git Merge--which seems like a > > lifetime ago ;-).) > > I am not opposed to recording and publishing for wider dissemination > of what was said and agreed on among participants, who join with the > full understanding of how the video meeting will later be consumed. > > What I am hesitant to see is that such an opt-in meeting becomes > "you got a chance to attend and have your voice heard---if you > didn't come, that was your choice, and whatever objection you give > after it does not count" summit. Ah, thanks for your clarification (and sorry for the misunderstanding). I figure that any synchronous discussion should augment the on-list discussion, not replace it. Thanks, Taylor