From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5211F55B for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 01:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726304AbgFKBKp (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 21:10:45 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:49840 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726163AbgFKBKo (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 21:10:44 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-x62a.google.com (mail-pl1-x62a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62a]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 918C6C08C5C1 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id d8so1651451plo.12 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:10:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ttaylorr-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=Dhi2VROP4k3eMAD7Bne3TKWlTiFzPtlAUl44R13iK/4=; b=KqS7IGqGZT+eqNhnEjqvB13gf9l2PSciM0yLwXsm2nxIjg6LvO6PZjA7Z3o0PM6hyr cD316x5j6KQGYTVI1FzkhbnDRh8M2GCvKtJjg6TL67luvYByB7RfBvuGaJTxMH0HY7ao rL1Rd8GUxcLM+R44SAESHo3yFfosDEx3PheAFMJCfs7ZWu/TbMUa3A82WNpxeC3qBg8C AJ0kVciQfz8OpxequyeNRo4saX0mm+evL3kN2tgqRajRmDsPlWzKsvUCVRJBRRBN5oHU Bg/3AmB9+HhSyxhyRN9cnTnaW9c6KCgIv9hnqg691SVfOzxyOgQzuLkd1DA1RyPvtUxd kxpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=Dhi2VROP4k3eMAD7Bne3TKWlTiFzPtlAUl44R13iK/4=; b=WWBMxOWNNkcgE9/L8mZfBsgL6552eu/J0CeBG1cbUkhy1/kzxEy0JX9UCTPyXsuZ5p 2EsCY7NAN3mLwCoiVU1BvBF1jh+a36jqXUhURmZ0KxC2AMkhQfJ4aCx9DGAaydxD2/qt 2hD+VOkl2Ay1PcKCPuOoymEcVp+TIrmWF/kkThWAWV9gfcPRI7N2JskMcKV9JgOSfFEN LqVrcwACwNPWY9EWaukEWsyjPfjmVp2aDyyxETd3HVKU4F4Tw6T9/Vab61Iq1q3aglgI f+zN2RXoexAt1xtOwXST7pX3lMPXW1n2+s6tsk47FKyu01cwB/8BFVWbYBp50XOHCp03 8tEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532LhvbPP0JkxEqAIbPH2ih0slSdTY1jQVL6nIOMyafPgUnis/o9 cmYfKHdAqm7mOQsNg8gFU/4xn+hZx7iJeg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwZJ2CWAW1BgMCK/opFmy8BVoUyCZuon/zjcsqIGQ5mGJs6W7gVnIeUDWqH7VawBnT0NyVSFQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:834b:: with SMTP id z11mr5212741pln.87.1591837842975; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([63.239.199.7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z85sm1133235pfc.66.2020.06.10.18.10.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:10:40 -0600 From: Taylor Blau To: Junio C Hamano Cc: Emily Shaffer , Johannes Schindelin , "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters , Don Goodman-Wilson , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Virtual Inclusion Summit Message-ID: <20200611011040.GB21728@syl.local> References: <20200610222719.GE148632@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 03:48:03PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Emily Shaffer writes: > > > One note I'd like to make is that the Git community already suffers from > > a lack of diversity; it will be hard for us to make meaningful changes > > if just those of us who already contribute attend, because many of us - > > myself included! - come from privilege and don't have much or any > > firsthand experience with microaggressions (or overt discrimination). I > > think it's a good idea to expand the attendance of this summit beyond > > the current contributor base and try to include more diverse voices and > > experts in building inclusive products. > > > > To that end, I'm going to see what kind of interested parties we can > > find to invite within Google - and I hope others will do the same within > > their own network. I think the risk of us coming up with meaningless > > changes far outweighs the risk of us having too many people in the Zoom > > call. :) To Emily; I would be honored to attend. Please let me know if there is anything that I can do to help organize such a thing. > It is OK to have an optional meeting in the hope that a video > meeting may have a better chance to keep those who easily become too > aggressive and confrontational in text-only conversation in check > and instead have civilized conversation. > > But I am not sure if it is a good idea to call such a meeting a > "Summit", given that there are those who prefer not to be seen, > heard or recorded how they appear and how they sound in a video > conference. They would not be able to join the conversation held in > such a "Summit" held only by those who are privileged enough to be > able to attend. I think that this is a very reasonable concern, stated in a very reasonable fashion. Let's call it something else, sure, and avoid recording/publishing the event (as we have done in the past at other in-person events--such as the last Git Merge--which seems like a lifetime ago ;-).) > Thanks. Thanks, Taylor