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From: Emily Shaffer <>
To: "brian m. carlson" <>,, "Jonathan Nieder" <>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Hook management via 'git hooks' command
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:21:13 -0800
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 03:04:45AM +0000, brian m. carlson wrote:
> On 2019-11-23 at 01:19:24, Emily Shaffer wrote:
> > Ah, I think I see what you mean.
> > 
> > hook.update = security-heuristic-runner
> > 
> > where "security-heuristic-runner" is some compiled binary your employer
> > purchased from some vendor and distributed directly to your `/bin/`.
> > 
> > No, I had imagined users would achieve that by writing:
> > 
> > hook.update = /bin/security-heuristic-runner
> Yeah, that's what I'm looking for.  The problem is that, for example,
> Debian does not guarantee where in PATH a file is.  Having a newer Git
> on RHEL or CentOS systems often involves hacking PATH and
> > Hm. Do you mean:
> > 
> > hook.update = git grep "something"
> > 
> > Or do you mean:
> > 
> > hook.update = ~/
> > 
> >
> >   #!/bin/bash
> > 
> >   git grep "something" >output
> >   ... do something with output ...
> I had intended to include the latter case, but also allow valid hooks
> with multiple argument support.  For example, you could invoke "git lfs
> pre-push" directly in your hook, and that is a fully functioning
> pre-push hook, and would require a suitable PATH lookup to find your Git
> binary.  It accepts the additional arguments that pre-push hooks accept;
> right now we basically do the following instead:
> ----
> #!/bin/sh
> exec git lfs pre-push "$@"
> ----
> > I suppose I need to understand better how $PATH works with the latter
> > scenario, but my gut says "if you didn't worry about where to find the
> > Git binary from your script before, why are you going to start caring
> > now".
> > 
> > This led me to wonder: "Should we allow someone to pass arguments via
> > the hook config?" Or to put it another way, "Should we allow 'hook.update
> > = grep -Rin blahblah >audit.log'?" I think the answer is no - some hooks
> > do expect to be given arguments, for example
> > sequencer.c:run_prepare_commit_msg_hook().
> I think what we want to do in this case is just invoke things in the
> shell with extra arguments, like we do with editors.  This means we
> don't have to handle PATH or anything else; we just invoke the shell and
> let it handle it.  That lets people provide multi-call binaries (like
> git lfs) that include hooks inside them.

I think that you are saying we should do the nice equivalent of:

  system("git lfs pre-push");

and tack the args onto the end. (I suppose that's run-command.h, but I'm
trying to use a shorthand that is easy to understand.)

It seems like this would solve the PATH issue, yes. However, I feel
tentative because of pushback on that approach in the bugreport review.
Hmmm. I think this is different, because the user understands that the
hook they configure themselves will be invoked on the shell of their
choosing. That is, I think run-command.h with "C:\myhook.exe" would
still work, no?

Will this approach "just work" for Windows, et al.?

> I do, however, think we should require folks to have a suitable hook
> that accepts the right arguments.  So "git grep blahblah" isn't a valid
> hook in most cases, because it doesn't take the right arguments and read
> the right data from stdin if necessary.

I'm not sure how we would guarantee that. Are you suggesting we should
try dry running a hook somehow when it's added with 'git hook add'? Even
doing that won't stop someone from popping open ~/.gitconfig with nano
and adding their hook that doesn't take the right args that way.

> > > I suppose if we continue to keep the existing behavior of changing the
> > > directory and we pass the config options to the shell, then we could
> > > just write "$(git config core.hooksPath || echo
> > > .git/hooks)/pre-push.d/hook1" instead, which, while ugly, gets the job
> > > done.  Then we wouldn't need such a command.
> > 
> > Yeah, I am wondering about when you want to run a hook generically (i.e.
> > from a noninteractive script) but outside of the context of something in
> > the Git binary invoking a hook. Are you thinking of Git commands
> > implemented as scripts?
> I'm just thinking about existing hook wrappers that invoke multiple
> scripts at the moment, something like how
> works
> at the moment and how we'd replace that with a config-based model.
> I think using the shell avoids the entire proposal, because it then
> becomes trivial to script that in the command and port it over, since we
> can use my ugly hack above.

Still not sure I understand what the issue was before. Is it that the
trampoline script needs to know $PATH to be able to invoke the child
hooks in hookname.d? Or it's because the current working directory
isn't clear, so a relative path in the trampoline script may not be
resolved well?

> I think I like that better than "git hook
> execute" because it's a little more flexible.
> > > One of the benefits to using numbered files in a .d directory is that
> > > you can explicitly control ordering of operations.  For example, maybe I
> > > have a per-repo pre-push hook that performs some checks and rejects a
> > > push if something is off.  I also have a pre-push hook for Git LFS that
> > > pushes the Git LFS objects to the remote server if Git LFS is in use.
> > > 
> > > In this case, I'd always want my sanity-check hook to run first, and so
> > > I'd number it first.  This is fine if both are per-repo, but if the LFS
> > > hook is global, then it's in the wrong order and my LFS objects are
> > > pushed even though my sanity check failed.
> > 
> > Yeah, this is really compelling, and also removes the somewhat wonky ^
> > proposed just below here. I like this idea quite a lot:
> > 
> > hook.pre-push = 001:/path/to/sanity-checker
> I think a colon is actually better than my proposal for a space in this
> regard, but I'm not picky: anything unambiguous is fine.

Yeah, same. I'm a little worried about a colon because there was some
conversation about being able to pick a hook in a repo from a specific
ref (i.e. I want to run 'update' hook from 'master' all the time even
when I'm examining 'third-party-topic' branch or bisecting
'nasty-bug-branch') and the colon seems to be used handily for ref +
path, but I think these details will work themselves out during
implementation, so I'm not so very worried.
> > I'll have to ponder on the UX of a 'git hook'-facilitated interactive
> > edit of the hook numbering, though. UX is not my strong point :)
> I also find I'm not great at UX, so I can't be of much help.

We're in luck on my end as it seems we have a UX team with open office
hours who can give us an opinion. I'll try to meet with them next week
Thursday; thanks Jonathan Nieder for the pointer.

This sounds like we both are pretty close on the same page, so I think I
will get started in the coming weeks and see if we can get a mockup to
pick at with the implementation details in front of us.

 - Emily

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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-16  1:11 Emily Shaffer
2019-11-16  5:45 ` brian m. carlson
2019-11-18 22:38   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-19  0:51     ` brian m. carlson
2019-11-23  1:19       ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-25  3:04         ` brian m. carlson
2019-11-25 22:21           ` Emily Shaffer [this message]
2019-11-25 22:45             ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-26  0:28             ` brian m. carlson
2019-11-26  0:56               ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-26  2:41                 ` brian m. carlson
2019-12-02 23:46                   ` Emily Shaffer

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