From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB1B1F4C1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 00:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1732214AbfJYAMz (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:12:55 -0400 Received: from dcvr.yhbt.net ([64.71.152.64]:36120 "EHLO dcvr.yhbt.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729514AbfJYAMz (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:12:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (dcvr.yhbt.net [127.0.0.1]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34A61F4C0; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 00:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 00:12:54 +0000 From: Eric Wong To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gummerer Subject: Re: [RFC/WIP] range-diff: show old/new blob OIDs in comments Message-ID: <20191025001254.GA29496@dcvr> References: <20191017121045.GA15364@dcvr> <20191023015629.GA15495@dcvr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Wed, 23 Oct 2019, Junio C Hamano wrote: > > Eric Wong writes: > > > Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > >> Instead, we will have to rely on your centralized, non-distributed > > >> service... > > > > > > I'm curious how you came to believe that, since that's the > > > opposite of what public-inbox has always been intended to be. > > > > I think the (mis)perception comes from the fact that the website and > > the newsfeed you give are both too easy to use and directly attract > > end users, instead of enticing them to keep their own mirrors for > > offline use. > > > > Thanks for injecting dose of sanity. > > Maybe your dose of sanity can inject a statement about the case when > public-inbox.org/git differs from a mirror, and not in a > fast-forwardable way? What is the authoritative source of truth, then? Why does authoritative source of truth matter? My anti-authoritarian ethos is what drew me to DVCS in the first place. If senders want to attest to the integrity of their messages; they can sign, and/or publish a copy/log of their sent messages on their homepage/social media/whatever. That's up to THEM, not anybody else. If somebody wants to fork public-inbox.org/git and run public-inbox-watch from their own Maildir, they're more than welcome to. If somebody wants to write their own importers since they don't like the code I write, they are more than welcome to. There's already mail-archive.com, marc.info, news.gmane.org (which public-inbox.org/git forked from) and some others. Going farther, if people want to fork entire mailing lists and communities, they should be able to do so. I don't like mail subscriber lists being centralized on any host, either. I have never, ever asked anybody to trust me or public-inbox; in fact, I've stated the opposite and will continue to do so.