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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Denton Liu <liu.denton@gmail.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"gitster@pobox.com" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	garimasigit@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Growing the Git community
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 18:26:07 -0400
Message-ID: <20190919222607.GA25680@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190919173423.GA70421@dentonliu-ltm.internal.salesforce.com>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:34:23AM -0700, Denton Liu wrote:

> > 4. Add an official Code of Conduct
> > 
> > So far, the community has had an unofficial policy of "be nice,
> > as much as possible". We should add a Code of Conduct that is
> > more explicit about the behavior we want to model. This was also
> > discussed in the meeting with wide approval.
> 
> From what I've personally read and experienced, I don't think that an
> official Code of Conduct is really warranted. Everyone I've interacted
> with has been really kind. Perhaps a new contributor might interpret the
> curtness of replies here as someone being rude but I quickly learned
> that it's more out of necessity since everyone is busy.
> 
> From reading the mailing list archives, I know that in the past, there
> have been some flamewars and some abrasive individuals but I think
> that's a problem of the past.

I've had similar thoughts over the years, but eventually switched my way
of thinking. I think part of that switch was coming to the conclusion
that most of the value of a Code of Conduct isn't about having a system
of enforcement against bad actors (in fact, I think that's the most
difficult and potentially problematic part, because it creates a sort of
justice system). IMHO the most important part is that it communicates
and reinforces norms:

  - It lets good actors easily understand what the expectations are.

  - It gives a framework for agreed-upon principles, so that people can
    more easily and productively discuss the conflicts that do happen.

  - It advertises our values to people outside the community, which may
    help make us more inviting for people to join (and ultimately
    contribute code, or docs, or reviews, etc).

> I also see some drawbacks to implementing a CoC as well. First of all,
> it just feels like unnecessary bureaucracy. Second, I think it'll
> probably cause a stir like it did when the Linux kernel introduced it.
> Of course, all that noise will die down eventually but I feel like it'll
> bring the wrong kind of attention to Git.

I've also been worried about that. And it's easy to think "nobody is
behaving too badly right now, so it's all a net negative since we risk a
trollish flamewar". But I think it's easy to discount "invisible"
negatives of the status quo, like people who are hesitant to join the
community because of the lack of a CoC. We in the community don't see
that. And even for people who remember what it was like to join, many
people have different expectations and experiences. If we can easily
make ourselves more inviting to a wider range of people, that seems like
a win.

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-19 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-19 16:30 Derrick Stolee
2019-09-19 17:34 ` Denton Liu
2019-09-19 20:43   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-09-19 22:26   ` Jeff King [this message]
2019-09-20 17:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-20 15:22   ` Garima Singh
2019-09-20 17:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-19 18:44 ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-19 19:12   ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-19 20:20     ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  5:04       ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  5:41         ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  6:54           ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20  7:43             ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-20 10:25               ` Klaus Sembritzki
2019-09-19 21:40 ` Mike Hommey
2019-09-23 21:28   ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-10-01 15:03     ` Jakub Narebski
2019-09-19 22:16 ` Jeff King
2019-09-20  2:17   ` Derrick Stolee
2019-09-20  2:23     ` Jeff King
2019-09-19 22:21 ` Elijah Newren
2019-09-25 13:36   ` Pierre Tardy
2019-09-25 14:02     ` Derrick Stolee
2019-10-04 12:39       ` Jakub Narebski
2019-09-25 14:14     ` Philip Oakley
2019-10-04 10:48   ` Jakub Narebski
2019-11-12 18:45   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-12 20:01     ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-11-13  6:45       ` Christian Couder
2019-11-13 15:06         ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-11-14  2:31           ` Emily Shaffer
2019-11-14  6:06             ` Jeff King
2019-11-15  4:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-11-14  6:08             ` Pratyush Yadav
2019-11-14 10:01               ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-09-20 10:48 ` Philip Oakley
2019-09-20 14:36 ` brian m. carlson
2019-09-20 15:16   ` Randall S. Becker
2019-10-04 14:27   ` Jakub Narebski
2019-09-20 15:20 ` Garima Singh
2019-09-20 17:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-20 18:52   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-23 12:36 ` Derrick Stolee
2019-09-23 21:46 ` Johannes Schindelin

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