From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488A91F461 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727942AbfIIRAE (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:00:04 -0400 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([104.130.231.41]:44298 "HELO cloud.peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1727040AbfIIRAE (ORCPT ); Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:00:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 20411 invoked by uid 109); 9 Sep 2019 17:00:04 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 17:00:04 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 10441 invoked by uid 111); 9 Sep 2019 17:01:56 -0000 Received: from sigill.intra.peff.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.7) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) ESMTPS; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:01:56 -0400 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:00:03 -0400 From: Jeff King To: Pratyush Yadav Cc: git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Git in Outreachy December 2019? Message-ID: <20190909170002.GA30399@sigill.intra.peff.net> References: <20190827051756.GA12795@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20190904194114.GA31398@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20190908145610.3ho2wo5qqiw3u4lz@yadavpratyush.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190908145610.3ho2wo5qqiw3u4lz@yadavpratyush.com> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Sep 08, 2019 at 08:26:10PM +0530, Pratyush Yadav wrote: > I'd like to put out a proposal regarding first contributions and micro > projects. > > I have a small list of small isolated features and bug fixes that > _I think_ git-gui would benefit with. And other people using it can > probably add their pet peeves and issues as well. My question is, are > these something new contributors should try to work on as an > introduction to the community? Since most of these features and fixes > are small and isolated, they should be pretty easy to work on. And I > think people generally find UI apps a little easier to work on. > > But I'll play the devil's advocate on my proposal and point out some > problems/flaws: > - Git-gui is written in Tcl, and git in C (and other languages too, but > not Tcl). That means while people do get a feel of the community and > general workflow, they don't necessarily get a feel of the actual git > internal codebase. > - Since I don't see a git-gui related project worth being into the > Outreachy program, it essentially means they will likely not work on > anything related to their project. > - Git-gui is essentially a wrapper on top of git, so people won't get > exposure to the git internals. > > I'd like to hear your and the rest of the community's thoughts about > this proposal, and whether it will be a good idea or not. Right, I came up with similar devil's advocate arguments. :) I'm not totally opposed, because part of the point of these microprojects just getting people familiar with interacting with the community and submitting a patch. They're not always in the same area the intern intends to work, just because there's not always a trivial problem to be solved there. So we do look at it mostly as a "can you do this basic test" test, and not necessarily as a prelude to the project. But it would be nice if it were at least in the same _language_ that the ultimate project will be done in. Because we're evaluating the applicant's ability to write code in that language, too. So I dunno. I am on the fence. -Peff