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From: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy" <pclouds@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/6] commit-graph write: add more progress output
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 00:38:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181120233840.GC30222@szeder.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181120195027.3260-3-avarab@gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 07:50:23PM +0000, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> Add more progress output to the output already added in
> 7b0f229222 ("commit-graph write: add progress output", 2018-09-17).
> 
> As noted in that commit most of the progress output isn't displayed on
> small repositories, but before this change we'd noticeably hang for
> 2-3 seconds at the end on medium sized repositories such as linux.git.
> 
> Now we'll instead show output like this, and have no human-observable
> point at which we're not producing progress output:
> 
>     $ ~/g/git/git --exec-path=$HOME/g/git commit-graph write
>     Finding commits for commit graph: 6365492, done.
>     Computing commit graph generation numbers: 100% (797222/797222), done.
>     Writing out commit graph: 2399912, done.
> 
> This "writing out" number is not meant to be meaningful to the user,
> but just to show that we're doing work and the command isn't
> hanging.
> 
> In the current implementation it's approximately 4x the number of
> commits.

"approximately" only, because the current implementation is buggy :)
If done right it's exactly 4x the number of commits.

> As noted in on-list discussion[1] we could add the loops up
> and show percentage progress here, but I don't think it's worth it. It
> would make the implementation more complex and harder to maintain for
> very little gain.

I think that if we can cheaply and accurately figure out the total,
then we should display it, so onlooking users can guesstimate how much
work is still left to be done.

> On a much larger in-house repository I have we'll show (note how we
> also say "Annotating[...]"):
> 
>     $ ~/g/git/git --exec-path=$HOME/g/git commit-graph write
>     Finding commits for commit graph: 50026015, done.
>     Annotating commit graph: 21567407, done.
>     Computing commit graph generation numbers: 100% (7144680/7144680), done.
>     Writing out commit graph: 21434417, done.
> 
> 1. https://public-inbox.org/git/20181120165800.GB30222@szeder.dev/
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com>
> ---
>  commit-graph.c | 41 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------
>  1 file changed, 32 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/commit-graph.c b/commit-graph.c
> index e6d0d7722b..6f6409b292 100644
> --- a/commit-graph.c
> +++ b/commit-graph.c
> @@ -433,7 +433,9 @@ struct tree *get_commit_tree_in_graph(struct repository *r, const struct commit
>  
>  static void write_graph_chunk_fanout(struct hashfile *f,
>  				     struct commit **commits,
> -				     int nr_commits)
> +				     int nr_commits,
> +				     struct progress *progress,
> +				     uint64_t *progress_cnt)
>  {
>  	int i, count = 0;
>  	struct commit **list = commits;
> @@ -445,6 +447,7 @@ static void write_graph_chunk_fanout(struct hashfile *f,
>  	 */
>  	for (i = 0; i < 256; i++) {
>  		while (count < nr_commits) {
> +			display_progress(progress, ++*progress_cnt);

I think this display_progress() should be places after the condition,
so no one has to waste brain cycles on figuring out, why it always
counts 255 more than the number of commits.

>  			if ((*list)->object.oid.hash[0] != i)
>  				break;
>  			count++;
> @@ -456,12 +459,16 @@ static void write_graph_chunk_fanout(struct hashfile *f,
>  }
>  
>  static void write_graph_chunk_oids(struct hashfile *f, int hash_len,
> -				   struct commit **commits, int nr_commits)
> +				   struct commit **commits, int nr_commits,
> +				   struct progress *progress,
> +				   uint64_t *progress_cnt)
>  {
>  	struct commit **list = commits;
>  	int count;
> -	for (count = 0; count < nr_commits; count++, list++)
> +	for (count = 0; count < nr_commits; count++, list++) {
> +		display_progress(progress, ++*progress_cnt);
>  		hashwrite(f, (*list)->object.oid.hash, (int)hash_len);
> +	}
>  }
>  
>  static const unsigned char *commit_to_sha1(size_t index, void *table)
> @@ -471,7 +478,9 @@ static const unsigned char *commit_to_sha1(size_t index, void *table)
>  }
>  
>  static void write_graph_chunk_data(struct hashfile *f, int hash_len,
> -				   struct commit **commits, int nr_commits)
> +				   struct commit **commits, int nr_commits,
> +				   struct progress *progress,
> +				   uint64_t *progress_cnt)
>  {
>  	struct commit **list = commits;
>  	struct commit **last = commits + nr_commits;
> @@ -481,6 +490,7 @@ static void write_graph_chunk_data(struct hashfile *f, int hash_len,
>  		struct commit_list *parent;
>  		int edge_value;
>  		uint32_t packedDate[2];
> +		display_progress(progress, ++*progress_cnt);
>  
>  		parse_commit(*list);
>  		hashwrite(f, get_commit_tree_oid(*list)->hash, hash_len);
> @@ -542,7 +552,9 @@ static void write_graph_chunk_data(struct hashfile *f, int hash_len,
>  
>  static void write_graph_chunk_large_edges(struct hashfile *f,
>  					  struct commit **commits,
> -					  int nr_commits)
> +					  int nr_commits,
> +					  struct progress *progress,
> +					  uint64_t *progress_cnt)
>  {
>  	struct commit **list = commits;
>  	struct commit **last = commits + nr_commits;

> @@ -565,6 +577,7 @@ static void write_graph_chunk_large_edges(struct hashfile *f,

[Adding more before-context to this hunk here...]

>	while (list < last) {

This loop iterates over all commits ...

>		int num_parents = 0;
>		for (parent = (*list)->parents; num_parents < 3 && parent;
>		     parent = parent->next)
>			num_parents++;

... counts the parents of the current commit ...

>
>		if (num_parents <= 2) {
>			list++;
>			continue;

... and continues iterating unless it's an octopus merge.

>		}
>
>		/* Since num_parents > 2, this initializer is safe. */
>		for (parent = (*list)->parents->next; parent; parent = parent->next) {
>			int edge_value = sha1_pos(parent->item->object.oid.hash,
>  						  commits,
>  						  nr_commits,
>  						  commit_to_sha1);
> +			display_progress(progress, ++*progress_cnt);

So this display_progress() call is in the wrong place, because it will
only be invoked on octopus merges, which only rarely occur in
practice, thus it's entirely possible that it won't show any progress
at all while the outer while loop iterates over the whole history.

This display_progress() should be places somewhere before that 'if
(num_parents <= 2)' condition.  And then this one, too, will count the
number of commits.

>  
>  			if (edge_value < 0)
>  				edge_value = GRAPH_PARENT_MISSING;
> @@ -764,6 +777,7 @@ void write_commit_graph(const char *obj_dir,
>  	int num_extra_edges;
>  	struct commit_list *parent;
>  	struct progress *progress = NULL;
> +	uint64_t progress_cnt = 0;
>  
>  	if (!commit_graph_compatible(the_repository))
>  		return;
> @@ -937,10 +951,19 @@ void write_commit_graph(const char *obj_dir,
>  		hashwrite(f, chunk_write, 12);
>  	}
>  
> -	write_graph_chunk_fanout(f, commits.list, commits.nr);
> -	write_graph_chunk_oids(f, GRAPH_OID_LEN, commits.list, commits.nr);
> -	write_graph_chunk_data(f, GRAPH_OID_LEN, commits.list, commits.nr);
> -	write_graph_chunk_large_edges(f, commits.list, commits.nr);
> +	if (report_progress)
> +		progress = start_delayed_progress(
> +			_("Writing out commit graph"),
> +			0);
> +	write_graph_chunk_fanout(f, commits.list, commits.nr, progress,
> +				 &progress_cnt);
> +	write_graph_chunk_oids(f, GRAPH_OID_LEN, commits.list, commits.nr,
> +			       progress, &progress_cnt);
> +	write_graph_chunk_data(f, GRAPH_OID_LEN, commits.list, commits.nr,
> +			       progress, &progress_cnt);
> +	write_graph_chunk_large_edges(f, commits.list, commits.nr, progress,
> +				      &progress_cnt);
> +	stop_progress(&progress);
>  
>  	close_commit_graph(the_repository);
>  	finalize_hashfile(f, NULL, CSUM_HASH_IN_STREAM | CSUM_FSYNC);
> -- 
> 2.20.0.rc0.387.gc7a69e6b6c
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-20 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-04 20:27 [PATCH 0/2] commit-graph: add progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-04 20:27 ` [PATCH 1/2] commit-graph write: " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-04 21:16   ` Eric Sunshine
2018-09-04 22:07   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-05 11:58     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-09-05 12:07       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-05 21:46       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-05 22:12         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-09-07 15:11       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-07 15:23         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-07 17:15           ` Jeff King
2018-09-07 17:25             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-09-05 12:06   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-09-07 12:40   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-07 13:12     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-09-04 20:27 ` [PATCH 2/2] commit-graph verify: " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-04 22:10   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-05 12:07 ` [PATCH 0/2] commit-graph: " Derrick Stolee
2018-09-07 18:29 ` [PATCH v2 " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-11 20:26   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 18:29 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] commit-graph write: " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-21 20:01   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-09-21 21:43     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-21 21:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-07 18:29 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] commit-graph verify: " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-16  6:55   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-17 15:33     ` [PATCH v3 0/2] commit-graph: " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-17 15:33     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] commit-graph write: " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-10 20:37       ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-10 21:56         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-10 22:19           ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-10 22:37             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-11 17:52               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-15 16:05                 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-10-12  6:09         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-10-12 15:07           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-12 15:12             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-10-15 16:54       ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-19 16:02         ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-19 20:23           ` [PATCH] commit-graph: split up close_reachable() " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-19 20:38             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-19 22:57             ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 0/6] commit-graph write: progress output improvements Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 1/6] commit-graph write: rephrase confusing progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 2/6] commit-graph write: add more " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 16:58                 ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] commit-graph write: progress output improvements Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] commit-graph write: rephrase confusing progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] commit-graph write: add more " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 23:38                     ` SZEDER Gábor [this message]
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] commit-graph write: show progress for object search Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] commit-graph write: add more describing progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] commit-graph write: remove empty line for readability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 19:50                   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] commit-graph write: add even more progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-21  1:23                   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-21  1:25                     ` [PATCH 1/2] commit-graph: rename 'num_extra_edges' variable to 'num_large_edges' SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-21  3:29                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 11:32                         ` Derrick Stolee
2019-01-18 17:05                           ` [PATCH v2 0/2] commit-graph: minor cleanup and optimization SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-18 17:05                             ` [PATCH v2 1/2] commit-graph: rename "large edges" to "extra edges" SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-18 17:05                             ` [PATCH v2 2/2] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_large_edges() unnecessarily SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-19  9:32                               ` Martin Ågren
2019-01-18 19:41                             ` [PATCH v2 0/2] commit-graph: minor cleanup and optimization Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21  1:26                     ` [PATCH 2/2] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_large_edges() unnecessarily SZEDER Gábor
2018-11-21 11:33                       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 00/10] commit-graph write: progress output improvements Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 01/10] commit-graph: rename 'num_extra_edges' variable to 'num_large_edges' Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 0/9] commit-graph write: progress output improvements Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19  1:26                             ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 00/10] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-22 18:30                               ` Derrick Stolee
2019-01-23 17:52                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-22 19:37                               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 01/10] commit-graph write: use pack order when finding commits Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 02/10] commit-graph: rename "large edges" to "extra edges" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 03/10] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_large_edges() unnecessarily Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-23 17:51                               ` [PATCH v6.1 03/10] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_extra_edges() unnecessarily SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 04/10] commit-graph write: add "Writing out" progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 05/10] commit-graph write: more descriptive "writing out" output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 06/10] commit-graph write: show progress for object search Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 07/10] commit-graph write: add more descriptive progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 08/10] commit-graph write: remove empty line for readability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 09/10] commit-graph write: add itermediate progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-19 20:21                             ` [PATCH v6 10/10] commit-graph write: emit a percentage for all progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 10:28                               ` [PATCH] commit-graph: don't show progress percentages while expanding reachable commits SZEDER Gábor
2019-03-22 11:11                                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 11:18                                   ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-03-22 14:28                                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 14:36                                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 14:55                                       ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-03-22 15:11                                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-03-22 15:49                                           ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-03-22 16:52                                             ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-03-22 17:23                                             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 1/9] commit-graph: rename 'num_extra_edges' variable to 'num_large_edges' Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 2/9] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_large_edges() unnecessarily Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 3/9] commit-graph write: add "Writing out" progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-18 17:16                             ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 4/9] commit-graph write: more descriptive "writing out" output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 5/9] commit-graph write: show progress for object search Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 6/9] commit-graph write: add more descriptive progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 7/9] commit-graph write: remove empty line for readability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 8/9] commit-graph write: add itermediate progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-16 13:29                           ` [PATCH v5 9/9] commit-graph write: emit a percentage for all progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-17 13:23                             ` [PATCH] commit-graph write: use pack order when finding commits Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-01-17 15:09                               ` Derrick Stolee
2019-01-17 16:35                                 ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 02/10] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_large_edges() unnecessarily Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 03/10] commit-graph write: rephrase confusing progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 04/10] commit-graph write: add "Writing out" " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 05/10] commit-graph write: more descriptive "writing out" output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 06/10] commit-graph write: show progress for object search Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 07/10] commit-graph write: add more descriptive progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 08/10] commit-graph write: remove empty line for readability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 09/10] commit-graph write: add itermediate progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 15:39                         ` [PATCH v4 10/10] commit-graph write: emit a percentage for all progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 18:59                         ` [PATCH v3 00/10] commit-graph write: progress output improvements Eric Sunshine
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 01/10] commit-graph: rename 'num_extra_edges' variable to 'num_large_edges' Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 02/10] commit-graph: don't call write_graph_chunk_large_edges() unnecessarily Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 03/10] commit-graph write: rephrase confusing progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 04/10] commit-graph write: add "Writing out" " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 05/10] commit-graph write: more descriptive "writing out" output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 06/10] commit-graph write: show progress for object search Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 07/10] commit-graph write: add more descriptive progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 08/10] commit-graph write: remove empty line for readability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 09/10] commit-graph write: add itermediate progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-22 13:28                       ` [PATCH v3 10/10] commit-graph write: emit a percentage for all progress Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 3/6] commit-graph write: show progress for object search Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 4/6] commit-graph write: add more describing progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 5/6] commit-graph write: remove empty line for readability Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-20 15:04               ` [PATCH 6/6] commit-graph write: add even more progress output Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-17 15:33     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] commit-graph verify: add " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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