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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gc: do not warn about too many loose objects
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:56:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180716205646.GF11513@aiede.svl.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180716203539.GD25189@sigill.intra.peff.net>

Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:21:40PM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote:
>> Jonathan Nieder wrote:

>>> My understanding is that exploding the objects is intentional behavior,
>>> to avoid a race where objects are newly referenced while they are being
>>> pruned.
[...]
>> Ah, that's good to know and at least makes sense.  It seems somewhat
>> odd, though; loose objects that are two weeks old are just as
>> susceptible to being referenced anew by new commits, so the default of
>> running 'git prune --expire=2.weeks.ago' as gc currently does would
>> also be unsafe, wouldn't it?  Why is that any more or less unsafe than
>> pruning objects only referenced by reflog entries that are more than
>> 90 days old?

Part of the answer is that this safety feature applies even when
reflogs are not in use.  Another part is that as you say, you can
start referencing an object at the same time as the reflog entry
pointing to it is expiring.

[...]
>                                    That's why we retain non-fresh
> objects that are referenced from fresh ones (so as long as you made the
> new commit recently, it transitively infers freshness on the old blob),
> and why we fresh mtimes when we elide a write for an existing object.
>
> That's _still_ not race-proof, because none of these operations is
> atomic.

Indeed.  One of the advantages of using a packfile for unreachable
objects is that metadata associated with that packfile can be updated
atomically.

I don't believe we are very good at transitively propagating freshness
today, by the way.

Thanks,
Jonathan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-16 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-16 17:27 [PATCH] gc: do not warn about too many loose objects Jonathan Tan
2018-07-16 17:51 ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 18:22   ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 18:52     ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 19:09       ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 19:41         ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 19:54           ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 20:29             ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 20:37               ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 21:09                 ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 21:40                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 21:45                     ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 22:03                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 22:43                         ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 22:56                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 23:26                             ` Jeff King
2018-07-17  1:53                               ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17  8:59                                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-17 14:03                                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17 15:24                                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-17 20:27                                   ` Jeff King
2018-07-18 13:11                                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-07-18 17:29                                       ` Jeff King
2018-07-17 15:59                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-17 18:09                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-16 19:15 ` Elijah Newren
2018-07-16 19:19   ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-16 20:21     ` Elijah Newren
2018-07-16 20:35       ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 20:56         ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2018-07-16 21:12           ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 19:52   ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 20:16     ` Elijah Newren
2018-07-16 20:38       ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 21:09         ` Elijah Newren
2018-07-16 21:21           ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 22:07             ` Elijah Newren
2018-07-16 22:55               ` Jeff King
2018-07-16 23:06                 ` Elijah Newren
2018-07-16 21:31           ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17  6:51 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] gc --auto: do not return error for prior errors in daemonized mode Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17  6:53   ` [PATCH 1/3] gc: improve handling of errors reading gc.log Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17 18:19     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-17 19:58     ` Jeff King
2018-07-17  6:54   ` [PATCH 2/3] gc: exit with status 128 on failure Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17 18:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-17 19:59     ` Jeff King
2018-09-17 18:33       ` Jeff King
2018-09-17 18:40         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-09-18 17:30           ` Jeff King
2018-07-17  6:57   ` [PATCH 3/3] gc: do not return error for prior errors in daemonized mode Jonathan Nieder
2018-07-17 20:13     ` Jeff King
2018-07-18 16:21       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-18 17:22         ` Jeff King
2018-07-18 18:19           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-18 19:06             ` Jeff King
2018-07-18 19:55               ` Junio C Hamano

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