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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com>,
	Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>,
	Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] sha1_file: open window into packfiles with O_CLOEXEC
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:47:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161026164746.2fu57f4pji5qdtnh@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqa8drcc5i.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 09:23:21AM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> >> +		/* Might the failure be due to O_NOATIME? */
> >> +		if (errno != ENOENT && (sha1_file_open_flag & O_NOATIME)) {
> >> +			sha1_file_open_flag &= ~O_NOATIME;
> >> +			continue;
> >> +		}
> >
> > We drop O_NOATIME, and end up with an empty flag field.
> >
> > But we will never have tried just O_CLOEXEC, which might have worked.
> 
> Yes, doing so would smudge atime, so one question is which one
> between noatime or cloexec is more important to be done at open(2)
> time.

Yes, but the missing case is one where we know that O_NOATIME does not
work (but O_CLOEXEC does), so we know we have to smudge the atime.

Of the two flags, I would say CLOEXEC is the more important one to
respect because it may actually impact correctness (e.g., leaking
descriptors to sub-processes). Whereas O_NOATIME is purely a performance
optimization.

I actually wonder if it is worth carrying around the O_NOATIME hack at
all.  Linus added it on 2005-04-23 via 144bde78e9; the aim was to reduce
the cost of opening loose object files. Some things have changed since
then:

  1. In June 2005, git learned about packfiles, which means we would do
     a lot fewer atime updates (rather than one per object access, we'd
     generally get one per packfile).

  2. In late 2006, Linux learned about "relatime", which is generally
     the default on modern installs. So performance around atime updates
     is a non-issue there these days.

     All the world isn't Linux, of course, but I can't help that feel
     that atime performance hackery is something that belongs at the
     system level, not in individual applications.

So I don't have hard numbers, but I'd be surprised if O_NOATIME is
really buying us anything these days.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-26 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-24 18:02 [PATCH v2 0/2] Use CLOEXEC to avoid fd leaks larsxschneider
2016-10-24 18:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] sha1_file: open window into packfiles with CLOEXEC larsxschneider
2016-10-25 10:27   ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-10-25 16:58     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-24 18:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] read-cache: make sure file handles are not inherited by child processes larsxschneider
2016-10-24 18:39   ` Eric Wong
2016-10-24 19:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-25 10:33       ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-10-25 17:02         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-24 19:22   ` Johannes Sixt
2016-10-24 19:53     ` Lars Schneider
2016-10-25 21:39       ` Johannes Sixt
2016-10-24 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Use CLOEXEC to avoid fd leaks Junio C Hamano
2016-10-25 11:27 ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-10-25 18:16   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] quick reroll of Lars's git_open() w/ O_CLOEXEC Junio C Hamano
2016-10-25 18:16     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] sha1_file: rename git_open_noatime() to git_open() Junio C Hamano
2016-10-25 18:16     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] sha1_file: open window into packfiles with O_CLOEXEC Junio C Hamano
2016-10-26  4:25       ` Jeff King
2016-10-26 16:23         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-26 16:47           ` Jeff King [this message]
2016-10-26 17:52             ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-26 20:17               ` Jeff King
2016-10-26 21:15                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-27 10:24                   ` Jeff King
2016-10-27 21:49                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-27 22:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-27 22:56                       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-27 23:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-27 23:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-27 23:36                             ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-27 23:44                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-28  1:08                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-28  2:37                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-28  5:51                                     ` Eric Wong
2016-10-28 11:11                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-10-28 16:13                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-28 16:48                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-28 17:38                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-28 17:47                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-29  1:26                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-29  8:25                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-10-29 17:06                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-31 17:37                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-31 13:56                                         ` Jeff King
2016-10-31 17:55                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-31 18:05                                             ` Jeff King
2016-10-28 13:32                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-28 13:33                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-28  7:51                       ` Jeff King
2016-10-25 18:16     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] read-cache: make sure file handles are not inherited by child processes Junio C Hamano
2016-10-25 21:33       ` Eric Wong
2016-10-25 22:54         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-10-25 21:48     ` [PATCH v3 0/3] quick reroll of Lars's git_open() w/ O_CLOEXEC Lars Schneider
2016-10-25 22:56       ` Junio C Hamano

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