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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Yuri <yuri@rawbw.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] setup_pager: set MORE=R
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:25:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140204222507.GA6031@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqiosu7ca2.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com>

On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 02:17:57PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
> > But there's another set of people that I was intending to help with the
> > patch, which is people that have set up LESS, and did not necessarily
> > care about the "R" flag in the past (e.g., for many years before git
> > came along, I set LESS=giM, and never even knew that "R" existed). Since
> > git comes out of the box these days with color and the pager turned on,
> > that means people with such a setup see broken output from day one.
> >
> > And I think it is Git's fault here, not the user or the packager.
> 
> I am not particularly itnterested in whose fault it is ;-)  If the
> user sets LESS himself, he knows how to set it (and if he is setting
> it automatically for all of his sessions, he knows where to do so),
> and would know better than Git about "less", his pager of choice.
> 
> If he did not know about R and did not see color, that is even
> better.  Now he knows and his update to his LESS settings will let
> him view colors in outputs from programs that are not Git.

Right. If git just disabled the color, I think that would be sane (and
that is what my patch was shooting for). But somebody who sees:

  $ git log
  ESC[33mcommit 3c6b385c655a52fd9db176ce1e01469dc9954f91ESC[mESC[33m
  (ESC[1;36mHEADESC[mESC[33m, ESC[1;32mjk/meta-makeESC[mESC[33m)ESC[m

does not necessarily know what is going on. They do not know that it is
a "less" problem, nor that their less settings are relevant. They only
see that Git is broken out of the box.

Anyway, I will leave it at that. It's an unfortunate problem, but one
not worth fixing.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-04 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-17  0:34 'git log' escape symbols shown as ESC[33 and ESC[m Yuri
2014-01-17  1:47 ` Jeff King
2014-01-17  2:02   ` Yuri
2014-01-17  2:13     ` Jeff King
2014-01-17  2:28       ` Yuri
2014-01-17  2:32         ` Jeff King
2014-01-17  2:46           ` Yuri
2014-01-17  2:29       ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-01-17  2:35         ` Jeff King
2014-01-17  3:21           ` Jeff King
2014-01-17  4:14           ` [PATCH 0/3] improved out-of-the-box color settings Jeff King
2014-01-17  4:21             ` [PATCH 1/3] setup_pager: refactor LESS/LV environment setting Jeff King
2014-01-17  4:21             ` [PATCH 2/3] setup_pager: set MORE=R Jeff King
2014-01-17  7:26               ` Kyle J. McKay
2014-01-17 19:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-21  5:30                 ` Jeff King
2014-01-21  8:42                   ` Kyle J. McKay
2014-01-23  2:14                     ` Jeff King
2014-01-23 17:22                       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-17 19:17               ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-17 19:57                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-17 23:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-21  6:13                     ` Jeff King
2014-01-21 19:28                       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-21  5:49                 ` Jeff King
2014-01-21 19:23                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-02-04 22:12                     ` Jeff King
2014-02-04 22:17                       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-02-04 22:25                         ` Jeff King [this message]
2014-02-04 22:45                           ` Yuri
2014-02-04 22:48                             ` Jeff King
2014-02-04 22:54                               ` Junio C Hamano
2014-02-04 23:00                               ` Yuri
2014-02-05  2:11                       ` Kyle J. McKay
2014-01-17  4:24             ` [PATCH 3/3] pager: disable colors for some known-bad configurations Jeff King
2014-01-17  9:13             ` [PATCH 0/3] improved out-of-the-box color settings Yuri
2014-01-17 20:15   ` 'git log' escape symbols shown as ESC[33 and ESC[m Yuri
2014-02-05  1:24   ` Yuri
2014-02-05  1:33     ` Jeff King

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