From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff King Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Move sequencer to builtin Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 01:26:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20130609052624.GB561@sigill.intra.peff.net> References: <1370643409-3431-3-git-send-email-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <20130608164902.GA3109@elie.Belkin> <20130608173447.GA4381@elie.Belkin> <20130609014049.GA10375@google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Jonathan Nieder , Duy Nguyen , Git Mailing List , Junio C Hamano , Brandon Casey , Ramkumar Ramachandra To: Felipe Contreras X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sun Jun 09 07:26:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UlY9M-0002G7-6C for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 07:26:44 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751000Ab3FIF02 (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 01:26:28 -0400 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([50.56.180.127]:60225 "EHLO peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750817Ab3FIF01 (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Jun 2013 01:26:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 13266 invoked by uid 102); 9 Jun 2013 05:27:16 -0000 Received: from c-71-62-74-146.hsd1.va.comcast.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (71.62.74.146) (smtp-auth username relayok, mechanism cram-md5) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTPA; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 00:27:16 -0500 Received: by sigill.intra.peff.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 09 Jun 2013 01:26:24 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 09:17:56PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Definitely, yes. Even if you look at the impact on code alone and > > don't care about the people, destroying a collegial work environment > > is harmful enough to the code to outweigh the (admittedly often > > useful) patches. > > A collegial work environment is overrated, and proof of that the Linux > kernel, where honest and straight talk is the bread and butter of the > mailing list. And the Linux kernel is the most successful software > project in history by far. It's code that speaks. Sorry, but I don't agree, and I want to publicly state my opinion so that Jonathan (and other bystanders on the list) knows that he is not alone in his opinions. I have consistently found your demeanor on the list to be very unfriendly and difficult to work with. It is one thing to have honest and straight talk, and another thing to be obstinate, unmindful of feedback (both with respect to technical details, as well as to communication styles), and disrespectful of other people. You have accused others of assuming you make comments in bad faith. Perhaps it is true that you are very pleasant and easy to work with in person, but in my opinion that is not the case, at least by email. I may be wrong, of course, and I certainly do not claim to be perfect myself. But I find it telling that many of the list participants seem to have had conflicts with you, and not with anyone else. So perhaps you may want to reconsider your style of communication. Unlike Jonathan, I would not ban you from the list. I do not believe in censoring anybody who is not a direct and constant nuisance (like a spammer). But personally I have a limited capacity for discussion with you, as it seems to have a knack for going back and forth, consuming a lot of time, and ending nowhere productive. It is certainly your choice about how you will communicate. But likewise it is the choice of readers and reviewers to choose how much of their time to give to your writings. -Peff