From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jonathan Nieder Subject: Re: Stable ab/i18n branch Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20101015052810.GB21830@burratino> References: <7v39s9fkk1.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <20101014200027.GA18813@burratino> <20101014205413.GD28958@burratino> <20101015000749.GD29494@burratino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, Erik Faye-Lund To: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri Oct 15 07:31:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@lo.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P6ctL-0007zH-RT for gcvg-git-2@lo.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:31:44 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755237Ab0JOFbi convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Oct 2010 01:31:38 -0400 Received: from mail-qw0-f46.google.com ([209.85.216.46]:41337 "EHLO mail-qw0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753232Ab0JOFbh (ORCPT ); Fri, 15 Oct 2010 01:31:37 -0400 Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so194285qwa.19 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:31:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1Tt1xa+Sa+U66DMBoQK7PGzyJAw6LZO2NdTvyuCt8nA=; b=Gg5gwsFZibUVQInEWe7elc6Bj9PEfm+RmHL7JJyGvyT/u7lW13Bvsn1wG57f1Jf2AZ +iLJNEO57WuNPz7W87F9NTmC0LZTnThoSXKYVzoG8KKKhfXYTCpxGnPXo+/mYDYdlw0+ ZCutrrLbrIZtSBSZZWqyIELP1zxxMPu+SYapI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=xYq0Wdq4srYEUnhbkVyUgOhVqPRr6kQE3ubnOSK+K30YzvrJHaJlUDl1+Zg3LnL8wE +lChgYMxxtuxSGMSj1yWVvohP8A1KBol70O42nREEPQNZfF3tzxWV+ZsF5aWgSLzTBKF CCcTtqcU9mfd4i4gvGVzmXMmBph4zhtoawGhA= Received: by 10.229.221.77 with SMTP id ib13mr247774qcb.226.1287120696582; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burratino (adsl-68-255-106-176.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [68.255.106.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z30sm422344yhc.9.2010.10.14.22.31.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason wrote: > No benefit? The benefit is that the program they previously either > didn't understand or understood poorly is now talking to them in thei= r > native language. That's a pretty big benefit. And for the languages that are not translated yet? Don't get me wrong --- I'm only trying to give a sense of what it is like for a user to experience a regression. It is generally little solace that someone else's use case is supported better. > So unless someone else is interested in helping audit all that > code, providing a printf() fallback on glibc etc. it'll block the i18= n > series. Oh, I never meant to say that this should be a blocker. Only that there really are costs and benefits to weigh. Much more important than the known bugs are the unknown bugs --- you've heard this before, I think. The way to get rid of unknown bugs (aside from inspecting code) is to get users. =46or example, if Gerrit doesn't mind, I would like to apply your patches to experimental once the version being staged for squeeze clears from there. Other interested people can attract users in other ways --- by providing documentation, tarballs, ...