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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: tytso@mit.edu
Cc: Will Palmer <wmpalmer@gmail.com>,
	Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why is "git tag --contains" so slow?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:28:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100708112802.GA2294@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100706165336.GJ25518@thunk.org>

On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 12:53:36PM -0400, tytso@mit.edu wrote:

> We would be much better off if our tools enforced the fact that
> committer times were always increasing.  If from the beginning, we had
> introduced checks so that "git commit" refused to create new commits
> where the committer time was before its parent commit(s), and
> git-receive-pack refused to accept packs that contained
> non-monotonically increasing commits or commits that occurred in the
> future according to its system clock, then these optimizations would
> be completely valid.
> 
> But we didn't, and we do have skew in some repositories.  So the
> question is what to do going forward?  One solution might be to
> enforce this moving forward, and to have varying levels of strictness
> in enforcing this constraint.  So for completely new repositories,

Whatever we do with the optimization, I do agree with your suggestion at
least for "git commit" to avoid making such commits.  Rejecting them
during fetchs and pushes would be a nice, too, but should probably just
be a warning at first, in case you have to pull from somebody with an
older git. You would also have to consider whether some small skew is
acceptable during a pull. Something like a 5-second skew is not a big
deal. If you had thousands of such skews in a row, yes, it would be bad,
but that is not likely to happen (and I can't think of some way to
maliciously create such a history that would not otherwise be
unusable).

> this becomes a non-brainer.  For older repositories, Jeff's idea of
> having a tunable parameter so that results are correct given a maximum
> clock skew --- which can be determined --- will allow us to have
> correctness _and_ performance.

Yeah. I think the real question is what the default for that parameter
should be: pessimistic but always correct, optimistic but possibly
incorrect in the face of skew, or auto-tuned per-repository.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-08 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-01  0:54 Why is "git tag --contains" so slow? Theodore Ts'o
2010-07-01  0:58 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2010-07-03 23:27   ` Sam Vilain
2010-07-01  1:00 ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-01 12:17   ` tytso
2010-07-01 15:03     ` Jeff King
2010-07-01 15:38       ` Jeff King
2010-07-02 19:26         ` tytso
2010-07-03  8:06           ` Jeff King
2010-07-04  0:55             ` tytso
2010-07-05 12:27               ` Jeff King
2010-07-05 12:33                 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/4] tag: speed up --contains calculation Jeff King
2010-10-13 22:07                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-13 22:56                   ` Clemens Buchacher
2011-02-23 15:51                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2011-02-23 16:39                     ` Jeff King
2010-07-05 12:34                 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/4] limit "contains" traversals based on commit timestamp Jeff King
2010-10-13 23:21                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-07-05 12:35                 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/4] default core.clockskew variable to one day Jeff King
2010-07-05 12:36                 ` [RFC/PATCH 4/4] name-rev: respect core.clockskew Jeff King
2010-07-05 12:39                 ` Why is "git tag --contains" so slow? Jeff King
2010-10-14 18:59                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-10-16 14:32                     ` Clemens Buchacher
2010-10-27 17:11                       ` Jeff King
2010-10-28  8:07                         ` Clemens Buchacher
2010-07-05 14:10                 ` tytso
2010-07-06 11:58                   ` Jeff King
2010-07-06 15:31                     ` Will Palmer
2010-07-06 16:53                       ` tytso
2010-07-08 11:28                         ` Jeff King [this message]
2010-07-08 13:21                           ` Will Palmer
2010-07-08 13:54                             ` tytso
2010-07-07 17:45                       ` Jeff King
2010-07-08 10:29                         ` Theodore Tso
2010-07-08 11:12                           ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-08 19:29                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-08 19:39                               ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-08 20:13                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-08 21:20                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-08 21:30                                     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-07-08 23:10                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-08 23:15                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-08 11:31                           ` Jeff King
2010-07-08 14:35                           ` Johan Herland
2010-07-08 19:06                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-07 17:50                       ` Jeff King

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