From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:30:41 -0600 Message-ID: <20080828203040.GQ18340@parisc-linux.org> References: <1219766398.7107.87.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080826180926.GA25711@isilmar.linta.de> <23DFA9EC-9523-4179-BA3C-ACBDB82953DF@cs.indiana.edu> <20080827230903.GB11005@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <48B5E90E.3000601@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20080828191956.GA7906@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <7v63pkew9l.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Russell King , Kristian H??gsberg , David Woodhouse , Johannes Schindelin , Dominik Brodowski , users@kernel.org, Jeff King , Perry Wagle , Stefan Richter , Steven Rostedt , Linus Torvalds , git@vger.kernel.org To: Junio C Hamano X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Aug 28 22:32:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYo9v-0003Of-TW for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:32:00 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756825AbYH1Uay (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:30:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756744AbYH1Uay (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:30:54 -0400 Received: from palinux.external.hp.com ([192.25.206.14]:52699 "EHLO mail.parisc-linux.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756547AbYH1Uax (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:30:53 -0400 Received: by mail.parisc-linux.org (Postfix, from userid 26919) id 90F8F494005; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7v63pkew9l.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:10:14PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > I think it is fair to say that I have vetoed and am still vetoing many "UI > clean-ups" that propose to change things in a way that "should have been > this way for consistency's sake from day one, if there were no existing > user base". During discussions to shoot down such proposals, I take > opinions from early adopters (that's you, kernel, wine and x.org people) > very seriously, perhaps to the point that outsiders would feel I am giving > them disproportionately large vetoing power. Sadly, those "opinions from > eraly adopters" are less and less "real" but more "I'd imagine the early > adopters would say..." these days. The process would work better if early > adopters do their part to help me by speaking up when it matters from time > to time. I think it's fairly clear by now that we aren't shy about sharing our opinions ... if we're asked for them. So do we need a git-oldtimers mailing list where you can post proposals so we can NACK them? -- Matthew Wilcox Intel Open Source Technology Centre "Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this operating system, but compare it to ours. We can't possibly take such a retrograde step."